Trump Changing His Position on Immigration

Fine, that's his view, but he's wrong. Just yanking subsidies and handouts away is not going to stop this invasion.

You never know until you try. Far from trying that, Trump started funding NGOs to illegally import people, and to the best of my knowledge to date, hasn't even acknowledged it's happening. That doesn't bode well that he will close the "...big, beautiful door..." in his big, beautiful wall, does it?

Whether or not there's any time left for Trump to buy us, I still see no indication that Trump will even try.
 
First you tell your corporate masters what you're going to do, then you flip flop and watch your sycophants running around telling each other that you will do what you won't. It's called 3D Chess.

News suggests that Timothy Mellon of the Shadow Government is swinging to Trump.
Big 50 million dono.
 
This video is the True Confession of the typical attitude of 1st - often 2nd or even 3rd - generation Indians.

Born in India. Says - my parents came here on an H1B for the jobs - not because they loved America or want to be Americans.

But they were given permanent citizenship anyway. Because Congress despises Americans and works for Immigrants. You just vote & pay taxes. Not enough, sorry. Migrants use massive Big Tech budgets to buy your jobs & citizenship for your replacement.

His first instinct is to offer to stay and collaborate with the offshore Indians:

“We can get rid of all these crackers & replace them with my friends - they’re all Indians.”

You can say it’s humour but unemployment by replacement is no laughing matter, and he says very clearly - my network is all Indians. No talk of Americans here.

Doesn’t even blink - because he doesn’t care about Americans.

When Indian collusion by DEI-inspired woke racial politics doesn’t work, he offers to move back to India - because he doesn’t care about America.

Finally, with every betrayal of Americans & America turned down - he says assuredly without missing a beat, I’m one of you guys.

Afraid not. But yes, I have told this story here many times. There are waves upon waves of Indians, an infinite number of them - not particularly skilled but more ethnically desirable to our H1B Indian CEOs, and sometimes still more cheap - to replace not only Americans … but so many they will never get back to hiring Americans unless we halt mass legal immigration & mass deport.

And the only concern to the vast majority of Indian “newcomers” - has demonstrated here - is whether or not more Indians are coming to replace them.

Well that and – as he says – whether or not he can replace you the American in the meanwhile.

Because they have already composed the obituaries of any “fellow” American workers. None of the plans here involved reflection or humanity. There was no option of identifying with millions of fucked over Americans. Except as a last resort.

Now ask yourself. What do you think would’ve happened, or what will happen, with this guy in a management job? Whose side you think he will be on? Who will he be hiring, based on his comments here?

I have worked with more Indians than most Indians have. I did so for decades for two atypical reasons.

First, I worked for an American company for years that was then bought by Indians. I was offered a big package - to be the one American left standing & train Indians to replace them. The Indians couldn’t really figure it out for themselves. As if that made it ok.

I said fuck off & turned down the offer, only to be hired by an American Company who then some years later bought an Indian company - and asked me to go fix things because of course it was totally fucked up.

At least this time I wasn’t being asked to replace Americans. But of course they kept sending Indians over here to try to figure out how to work me out of my job. There was really never any chance to any of them could. But regardless, all of the executive jobs went to Indians - and then all of the difficult management problems to make them appear successful went to me.

As soon as they started replacing my American coworkers with Indian Indians, I again moved on.

In addition, I’ve worked on many many contracts on truly large projects where many other contractors brought in were mostly Indians.

I know business culture, which stems from the country culture, very well. Competence, fairness, meritocracy, lack of massive levels of cheating - these were never the hallmarks of Indian organizations.

So I know this guy’s attitude is very typical. Better than most actually.

Indian Nepotism - among Indians in India or America is the same. Whether a guy on a visa or this guy who has been made a citizen.

Selling out & fucking over Americans, is the norm.

Any thought for “fellow Americans” - or turning America into a the Utterly Corrupt 3rd World Hellhole - is nonexistent.

https://x.com/Aethelleas/status/1786618540180771175
 
Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

No special work visas.

No student passes.

No "skilled worker" programs.

Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.


I noticed Trump started to use the old Bush era wording like "Radical Islamists" and runs back to getting rid of palestine protestors

What about the Sunni Jihadist radical Islamists in the country like some of the Saudis that might have a Jihadist connection do they get a free pass?
 
Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

No special work visas.

No student passes.

No "skilled worker" programs.

Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.

Student passes are not reasonable in first place
 
Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

No special work visas.

No student passes.

No "skilled worker" programs.

Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.


You and Elon can take turns trying to convince him.
 
And your answer is, if Mr. Drake or I ignore your advice and attempt to flee your favorite flavor of tyranny over the southern border, we deserve to be blown up by a land mine.

LOL Desperate much?
No, I did not say you deserve to be blown up, but if we don't put in the defenses, including possibly minefields, the new regime you worry about fleeing will, just ask the East Germans about that.

And I am desperate to save my country from the invasion and prevent an East German style government from being created.


Of course. Just because it's the severely flawed logic underlying your stated opinion doesn't mean you'd ever say it out loud. Quite the opposite.
It has absolutely no connection to what I said.


But I didn't advocate for open borders. I said that first Trump, then Biden paid NGOs to import people illegally, creating this problem. And they're about to use it to lock us in and implement stop and frisk tyranny. And both Trump and you are so busy promoting land mines and papers please checkpoints that neither of you even has a moment to stop and admit that the U.S. government needs to stop paying NGOs to import people illegally.

That's what makes you the poster child for Hegel. You and Trump are like the person who pours sugar all over the floor because they like dancing La Cuckaracha.
Trump didn't pay them, he tried to cut funds to them, I already proved that to PAF's satisfaction, but you never let the truth get in the way of your talking points.
The payments started before Trump's time in office and were put in the budget by Congress in veto proof budget bills.
If we don't put in the defenses to keep their invaders out they will do as you say they will and opposing us putting in the defenses first will not stop them.

You used this as justification for building it:
Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
And that doesn't change that he wanted the military on the border to guard it. (the problem there is that a Biden type administration can withdraw the military or tell them to wave people through or even help them cross like has been done to the Border Patrol)​

What's the difference? "It is worth the cost" because Biden can withdraw the troops quickly and easily but can't so easily tear it down, "but nobody said it would function 100% all by itself." So, yeah, no, it, like, not worth the $#@!ing cost--at least, not for the reason you said it was.
The difference is that even though I never claimed it would be 100% effective on its own it will be effective enough to be worth the cost.
It will be even more worth it if we have patrols.
 
You never know until you try. Far from trying that, Trump started funding NGOs to illegally import people, and to the best of my knowledge to date, hasn't even acknowledged it's happening. That doesn't bode well that he will close the "...big, beautiful door..." in his big, beautiful wall, does it?

Whether or not there's any time left for Trump to buy us, I still see no indication that Trump will even try.

Trump did not start funding NGOs, O'Bummer or maybe Shrub Jr., Clinton, or Shrub Sr. did.
Congress put the funding in veto proof budget bills and Trump tried to cut the funding.

Trump absolutely made great progress shutting down the invasion, and he will do better this time.
 
The statement from Trump's spokesgirl:


https://x.com/G_Slattery/status/1803929334358372815
In the 2016 campaign and in the White House, Trump periodically veered from his American-first, low-migration campaign. Each time, he and his staffers backpedaled to the center amid protests by his base.

Amid the zig-zags, Trump blocked and deported many blue-collar and white-collar migrants. For example, he stopped the inflow of H-1B and L-1 foreign workers in 2020, and he barred foreign workers from jobs at the Tennessee Valley Authority. “He saved 200 [technology] jobs that would have been outsourced and then eventually offshored,” Kevin Lynn, the founder of US TechWorkers, told Breitbart News.
Overall, Trump’s curbs on migration forced companies to pay higher wages and also invest in productivity-boosting workplace upgrades, such as slaughterhouses and factories.

https://www.breitbart.com/2024-elec...backtracks-on-trump-promise-of-more-migrants/


Watch what he actually does.
 
Ten year moratorium on all immigration.

No special work visas.

No student passes.

No "skilled worker" programs.

Shut it ALL down and begin immediate deportation of all those who are here illegally.

Moratorium until further notice.
When we do open up again after throwing out everyone who needs to be thrown out then we only let in very low absolute numbers from only compatible cultures.
I'd be open to special visas in some circumstances where we really needed someone if they reduced the general quota instead of being added to it.
 
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