Tom Woods: My Memories of Jesse Benton

[sailingaway]

Excuse me, but the mainstream media for the most part reads talking points from Media Matters. Throw in the Neocons and Woods would have been a HUGE Liability.

Prominent Neocon blogger David Frum on Ron Paul

[took out the trash]

I'm beginning to think some of those associated with the Mises Institute are more concerned about themselves than they are about expanding the liberty message into the mainstream of political thought.

So now it is media matters and neocons we listen to?

Neoconservative internationalists HATE Ron and always will. Letting them dictate our agenda is like letting the Fed dictate it.

 

[William R]

Oh, please. Give me the League of the South any day over the emails we got this spring, in terms of campaign impact. PARTICULARLY in a GOP primary, where groups like League of the South aren't demonized simply because SPLC says you must. And the campaign should have simply ADDRESSED the newsletters which Ron never wrote -- 20 years ago when he wasn't in office and they were written.

I don't have anything against the League of the South, I'm just saying the mainstream media would have gone crazy over it. Right when Ron was taking the lead in Iowa in late December the Newsletter story pops up again and the Paul campaign spent the next week explaining it all over again. Throw Tom Woods in and it would have been a fiasco.

 

[William R]

So now it is media matters and neocons we listen to?

Neoconservative internationalists HATE Ron and always will. Letting them dictate our agenda is like letting the Fed dictate it.

You're not sharpest knife in the drawer that's for sure Ms Moderator. And please stop moderating my posts.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Tom Woods is angry because he wasn't asked to help the campaign. But truth be told he would have been a huge liability. Ron already had a problem with the newsletters and the last thing the campaign needed was someone who used to belong to the League of the South.

http://dixienet.org/rights/index.shtml

The Neocons and the media would have gone crazy.

Oooh, cool. Thanks. I found a book I want to order on that site.

http://dixienet.org/rights/forgotten_conservatives.php

 

[William R]

Oooh, cool. Thanks. I found a book I want to order on that site.

http://dixienet.org/rights/forgotten_conservatives.php

So what. It's how the media would have used the League of the South against Ron Paul.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh, please. Give me the League of the South any day over the emails we got this spring, in terms of campaign impact. PARTICULARLY in a GOP primary, where groups like League of the South aren't demonized simply because SPLC says you must. And the campaign should have simply ADDRESSED the newsletters which Ron never wrote -- 20 years ago when he wasn't in office and they were written.

Did it dawn on you that perhaps Ron would not allow it?

 

[LibertyEagle]

So what. It's how the media would have used the League of the South against Ron Paul.

I wasn't arguing your point; I was just pointing out a good book. Although, I seriously doubt that is why Tom wasn't used on the campaign.

 

[sailingaway]

I don't have anything against the League of the South, I'm just saying the mainstream media would have gone crazy over it. Right when Ron was taking the lead in Iowa in late December the Newsletter story pops up again and the Paul campaign spent the next week explaining it all over again. Throw Tom Woods in and it would have been a fiasco.

Less so than certain 'mainstream focused' campaign decisions. And the campaign should have taken care of the newsletter issue. WE all know the truth, they should have had that one in the can, ready to roll out. THAT really IS politics 101.

 

[William R]

I wasn't arguing your point; I was just pointing out a good book. Although, I seriously doubt that is why Tom wasn't used on the campaign.

I don't have any inside info, but I guarantee that's why he was excluded. After Ron Paul held his first meeting as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Monetary Policy he was smeared in the media for having Tom DiLorenzo on as a witness.

http://www.redstate.com/thejoyofrea...ime-to-take-away-those-committee-assignments/

And this is before he kicked off his campaign for 2012

 

[sailingaway]

Did it dawn on you that perhaps Ron would not allow it?

On the newsletters, I can see a possibility that Ron was just done with the issue, feeling it had been disproved. But THERE, rather than in pushing the meme that we were contentious, is where the campaign advisors should have tried to influence him. And maybe they couldn't. I'm not blaming them for the newsletters, just saying that bringing them up is just another example of where the campaign didn't shine, not a reason Tom Woods was worse than Benton.

I frankly could see -- never BANNING Woods -- but not making him the primary spokesman, in the beginning. I did watch his congressional testimony and while I thought he was dead on, I also thought the free wheeling delivery didn't perfectly suit that particular forum. He did pretty well on the Steve Deace show though, don't you think?

I didn't read all this thread so I don't know where people started weighing Benton against Woods, but all I can say is at least Woods would present Ron, not someone he seemed to think would be better than Ron if only Ron would 'shape up'.

 

[LibertyEagle]

On the newsletters, I can see a possibility that Ron was just done with the issue, feeling it had been disproved. But THERE, rather than in pushing the meme that we were contentious, is where the campaign advisors should have tried to influence him. And maybe they couldn't. I'm not blaming them for the newsletters, just saying that bringing them up is just another example of where the campaign didn't shine, not a reason Tom Woods was worse than Benton.

And perhaps, he had no intention of saying who wrote the newsletters. Ron was the boss of his campaign; something you refuse to accept.

I frankly could see -- never BANNING Woods -- but not making him the primary spokesman, in the beginning. I did watch his congressional testimony and while I thought he was dead on, I also thought the free wheeling delivery didn't perfectly suit that particular forum. He did pretty well on the Steve Deace show though, don't you think?

If Ron wanted Tom on his campaign, he would have been there.

I didn't read all this thread so I don't know where people started weighing Benton against Woods, but all I can say is at least Woods would present Ron, not someone he seemed to think would be better than Ron if only Ron would 'shape up'.

It's not a comparison. Ron chose who he wanted, whether wisely or not.

 

[sailingaway]

You're not sharpest knife in the drawer that's for sure Ms Moderator. And please stop moderating my posts.

I broke bad links, but I am supposed to moderate. That is where the 'moderator' part comes in.

 

[sailingaway]

And perhaps, he had no intention of saying who wrote the newsletters. Ron was the boss of his campaign; something you refuse to accept.


If Ron wanted Tom on his campaign, he would have been there.



It's not a comparison. Ron chose who he wanted, whether wisely or not.

You accuse me of a assumptions but you are displaying your own.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I'm beginning to think some of those associated with the Mises Institute are more concerned about themselves than they are about expanding the liberty message into the mainstream of political thought.

That's because you get your panties in a knot reading absolute trash.

 

[angelatc]

Excuse me, but the mainstream media for the most part reads talking points from Media Matters. Throw in the Neocons and Woods would have been a HUGE Liability.

Prominent Neocon blogger David Frum on Ron Paul

{sailingaway doesn't get all the link removing fun!}

I'm beginning to think some of those associated with the Mises Institute are more concerned about themselves than they are about expanding the liberty message into the mainstream of political thought.

Yeah, ok. You just added AIPAC to the list. ROTFL!

 

[LibertyEagle]

I broke bad links, but I am supposed to moderate. That is where the 'moderator' part comes in.

Not if you are participating in the thread, you're not.

 

[sailingaway]

Not if you are participating in the thread, you're not.

I haven't been informed of that. I am not changing arguments. Breaking bad links is standard practice.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You accuse me of a assumptions but you are displaying your own.

Not quite. Ron knows Tom. If he wanted him for his campaign, don't you think he would have asked him?

 

[sailingaway]

Not quite. Ron knows Tom. If he wanted him for his campaign, don't you think he would have asked him?

If Benton was playing gatekeeper and Ron was trusting him and trying not to get in the way of his running the campaign 'business' might he have gone along with something he wouldn't have chosen on his own?

 

[LibertyEagle]

If Benton was playing gatekeeper and Ron was trusting him and trying not to get in the way of his running the campaign 'business' might he have gone along with something he wouldn't have chosen on his own?

Anything is possible, but I seriously doubt it in this case, because Ron knows Tom Woods. If he wanted him on his campaign, he would have been on his campaign from the outset.