Tom Woods: My Memories of Jesse Benton

[angelatc]

Not quite. Ron knows Tom. If he wanted him for his campaign, don't you think he would have asked him?

Not necessarily. I think that Ron hired a campaign manager, and let that person make those decisions. I also think that Benton is a master at whisper campaigns. Too bad he's using them for evil instead of good.

Seriously, I am just a little sad that Trygve Whatshisname passed muster, but Woods didn't? Something is sadly wrong there.

 

[sailingaway]

Anything is possible, but I seriously doubt it in this case, because Ron knows Tom Woods. If he thought he would be beneficial, he would have been on his campaign from the outset.

I doubt Ron was compiling the campaign team. I strongly suspect he was talked into the campaign by those who said they could take care of all that stuff, then was deferring and not getting in their way, out of respect. If he had felt strongly he NEEDED Tom he would have taken a stand, otherwise I don't think he would have necessarily gotten involved in staffing.

We each have our own opinions based on what we saw and believe.

 

[sailingaway]

Not necessarily. I think that Ron hired a campaign manager, and let that person make those decisions. I also think that Benton is a master at whisper campaigns. Too bad he's using them for evil instead of good.

Seriously, I am just a little sad that Trygve Whatshisname passed muster, but Woods didn't? Something is sadly wrong there.

I sincerely doubt Ron vetted staff.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Not necessarily. I think that Ron hired a campaign manager, and let that person make those decisions. I also think that Benton is a master at whisper campaigns. Too bad he's using them for evil instead of good.

Seriously, I am just a little sad that Trygve Whatshisname passed muster, but Woods didn't? Something is sadly wrong there.

He was a consultant apparently engaged for his political knowledge. That is a different area than is Tom's expertise.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I doubt Ron was compiling the campaign team. I strongly suspect he was talked into the campaign by those who said they could take care of all that stuff, then was deferring and not getting in their way, out of respect. If he had felt strongly he NEEDED Tom he would have taken a stand, otherwise I don't think he would have necessarily gotten involved in staffing.

We each have our own opinions based on what we saw and believe.

I may have a few more facts in mine, however.

 

[angelatc]

I sincerely doubt Ron vetted staff.

Does he ever? LOL!

But the fact that he has about zero time to devote to that type of stuff combined with the fact that he's certainly not known for being, or advocating, micromanagement I think you're right.

 

[angelatc]

He was a consultant apparently engaged for his political knowledge. That is a different area than is Tom's expertise.

I had no real issues with him. I'm not opposed to hired guns. In fact, I wanted the campaign leadership replaced with someone who had more experience, remember? But in context, to say that Woods brought unacceptable baggage to the liberty movement while ignoring the baggage that a neocon hire brought makes me sad. THat's all.

 

[cajuncocoa]

You're not sharpest knife in the drawer that's for sure Ms Moderator. And please stop moderating my posts.

Top 10 ways to tell you might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer #2: Insult the moderator.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I had no real issues with him. I'm not opposed to hired guns. In fact, I wanted the campaign leadership replaced with someone who had more experience, remember? But in context, to say that Woods brought unacceptable baggage to the liberty movement while ignoring the baggage that a neocon hire brought makes me sad. THat's all.

I don't consider Tom Woods as baggage. No way; no how. I also wish that we had been able to get a seasoned campaign manager. I don't know who they would have been able to get though and then, others would have taken issue, because they most assuredly wouldn't have been "pure". Bachmann tried it and look how he ended up acting.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Top 10 ways to tell you might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer #2: Insult the moderator.

Apparently you're only a 'sharp knife' if you take your queues from SPLC, ADL and war-loving former Bush officials.

 

[donnay]

Not quite. Ron knows Tom. If he wanted him for his campaign, don't you think he would have asked him?

Since Dr. Paul is not omnipresent, and maybe he was too busy to really notice much of what was going on in the background, while he was campaigning. It is also one of the reason why Dr. Paul hired people to do all the PR work for him, because he was so busy. Tom Woods decided not to make noise until after the dust settled. Now we are getting the skinny from Tom Woods--which in my mind, helps put the pieces of the puzzles together for many of us, who suspected these type antics from Jesse Benton for a while.

 

[sailingaway]

I don't have any inside info, but I guarantee that's why he was excluded. After Ron Paul held his first meeting as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Monetary Policy he was smeared in the media for having Tom DiLorenzo on as a witness.

http://www.redstate.com/thejoyofrea...ime-to-take-away-those-committee-assignments/

And this is before he kicked off his campaign for 2012

That wouldn't have been Ron making that decision. Ron was asked about DiLorenzo's ties and said that was classic distraction from the issues.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Since Dr. Paul is not omnipresent, and maybe he was too busy to really notice much of what was going on in the background, while he was campaigning. It is also one of the reason why Dr. Paul hired people to do all the PR work for him, because he was so busy. Tom Woods decided not to make noise until after the dust settled. Now we are getting the skinny from Tom Woods--which in my mind, helps put the pieces of the puzzles together for many of us, who suspected these type antics from Jesse Benton for a while.

I really like Tom, but what he offered was one side of the story. There are two.

 

[angelatc]

I really like Tom, but what he offered was one side of the story. There are two.

But one is a lie.

 

[LibertyEagle]

But one is a lie.

I think there is more to it, Angela. But, you certainly may be right in your overall assessment. I think it is sad that any of this happened.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

But one is a lie.

Or at the very least one side of the story has a great deal more integrity and intelligence than the other. A brilliant mind vs. [someone else - mod edit]. 'Who do you believe?' because an incredibly easy question to answer in this case.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Tom Woods is angry because he wasn't asked to help the campaign. But truth be told he would have been a huge liability. Ron already had a problem with the newsletters and the last thing the campaign needed was someone who used to belong to the League of the South.

Tom Woods has never "belonged" to the League of the South. He was invited to speak to them (once, AFAIK), and he did so.

I don't have any inside info, but I guarantee that's why he was excluded.

Translation: "I have no evidence whatsoever, so I'm just going to stamp my feet and insist that I'm right."

After Ron Paul held his first meeting as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Monetary Policy he was smeared in the media for having Tom DiLorenzo on as a witness.

More lies. DiLorenzo gave a few talks to the group. He was never a member. Most of the criticism directed at DiLo was because he's not such a big Lincoln fan.

If *that's* enough to declare someone persona non grata, then the liberty movement is well & truly screwed.

I'm beginning to think some of those associated with the Mises Institute are more concerned about themselves than they are about expanding the liberty message into the mainstream of political thought.

Oh, puh-leeeze! Given your willingness to uncritically swallow neo-con & SPLC talking points (read: outright lies) - and to run away from them crying like a little girl who's just had her pigtails yanked - I seriously doubt your ability understand what is necessary for "expanding the liberty message into the mainstream." (My apologies to little girls with pig tails.)

And I'm not even gonna touch your asinine accusation of "some of those associated with Mises Institute." Witch-hunt, much?

 

[DylanWaco]

The idea that Woods wasn't more closely involved with the campaign because of his League of the South past doesn't even pass the laugh test. The campaign's official blogger is a former LotS'er, who spent the bulk of his career as a radio commentator wearing a Confederate Flag wrestling mask and penning commentaries with titles like "No Apologies For Slavery."

 

[William R]

That wouldn't have been Ron making that decision. Ron was asked about DiLorenzo's ties and said that was classic distraction from the issues.

And it was , but he learned that the association with the League of the South is toxic and the media would have made a big deal out of it if Woods joined the campaign.

 

[William R]

The idea that Woods wasn't more closely involved with the campaign because of his League of the South past doesn't even pass the laugh test. The campaign's official blogger is a former LotS'er, who spent the bulk of his career as a radio commentator wearing a Confederate Flag wrestling mask and penning commentaries with titles like "No Apologies For Slavery."

Hunter is a blogger and not someone front and center. And what people like you refuse to admit is that if Ron Paul wanted Woods on the campaign he would have been there. Sour grapes from the Mises people.