Tom Tancredo No Longer Supports Rand

[Carson]

Do we have to get out his voting record ? I bet it's horrible, like him.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/146/reportcard/CAREER/



If you want to look up others;

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/tools/grades/list/0/CAREER/US/A/Grade/Active



Ron Paul's report card.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/787/reportcard/CAREER/

 

[anaconda]

Yeah Tom Tancredo!


Self deportation seems all we've been left with unfortunately.

Here is my two-step plan.

We may have to kiss the keisters of the illegal invaders, it is still a felony to aid and abet them.

If some honest men and women in law enforcement, would go after the lowlifes in the government, business, and the general population that have been aiding and abetting them, by the time they had enough of a handle on the job to raise their heads and look around, I don’t think many illegal aliens would still be left.

We don't need any new laws to do this either. Just some honest men and women in law enforcement that take their oaths of office seriously!

Finding them is the first step!



Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(B)(ii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."
Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:
* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

So if I let a tired and hungry illegal sleep overnight on my couch and feed him/her a meal I can go to prison for 5 years. No wonder no one respects the law in this country.

 

[fr33]

Good people break bad laws.

 

[Carson]

"Tom Tancredo No Longer Supports Rand"


Who quit whom first?

 

[spladle]

Carson, how do you feel about Mexicans? What about black people? Just wondering.

 

[spladle]

Off the top of your head, do you know what the average IQs of the various races are?

 

[Carson]

Carson, how do you feel about Mexicans? What about black people? Just wondering.

Pretty much like I feel about everyone else...

except when I'm feeling prejudice...

then it is only half prejudice...

I like their women...


because I know your going to ask.

Everyone's women.

 

[fr33]

We don't currently have any illegal immigrants employed but if it were up to me we would. Over 3 years we've hired 5 American citizens for the job and their average time spent employed by us is 3 weeks before they quit. US citizens are overweight and utterly dependent on others to put the food on their table. If I were to choose the hardest workers on the globe, it would NOT be US citizens.

"They took our jobs" doesn't work with me because I don't know of an American citizen willing to do this job. When it comes to labor and production, foreigners are far more superior than Americans.

If you want a job, PM me. I'd love to meet people that actually understand the physical labor market.

 

[Carson]

Tom Tancredo brings back memories of other things I wrote and discovered back when he was running for President. I think the following was about that time.


When I started looking into where the money was coming from to buy off the politicians and subvert the immigration laws of the world, I came across what may be the root of many of our problems. Fiat Money.

No matter how much real money people can put together to build their countries the way they want there are those that can print up what ever it takes to get their way.

Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear.

Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him.

You own half of everything and so do I.

I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank.

You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with.

All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world!

That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED.

That to me represents what has been happening to the economy, and us, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up with the fake money presses.

 

[fr33]

What? Your fatass kids are going to college and are above harvesting crops as a job? Well duh. Your representatives are against individualism and instead want education bonuses presented to their children so they can realize what a tyrant he is.

 

[Carson]

I still think some are missing the point that they are playing the illegal aliens into the hands of the criminals in the government and business. If you had any compassion wouldn't you want them coming in legally if they are truly needed?

I saw it working in the sixties and seventies. People came from all over the world for an opportunity to work here. We worked side by side for the same wages and benefits. They came because they were skilled. I was just starting out and learned much from them. Sometimes their visas would run out and they would decide to go home. It was a bummer seeing them go. I often thought they took a little of what we had here back home with them. I knew they had taught and left some with me. Now I would be kind of ashamed to share our way of doing things... and others.

 

[compromise]

This is actually quite similar to what Tancredo said when Ron disavowed his early paleoconservative stance on immigration in favor of a more tolerant one:

On Thursday, Ron Paul announced he would form an exploratory committee for a run at the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. This is about as unexpected as spring snow melt.

I served with Ron Paul in Congress for 10 years. He was a member of my Immigration Reform Caucus, and I consider him a friend. We didn’t see eye to eye on every issue, but he was generally an ally in the fight against illegal immigration. Unfortunately, it appears that Paul’s views on immigration have now shifted into the pro-amnesty camp.

Last week, Rep. Paul released his latest book, “Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom.” One of those 50 issues is immigration, and Paul gives a more detailed explanation of his views in the book than I have ever seen before.

The result is not pretty. Paul’s book misrepresents the views of immigration-control advocates and then insults their motivations. He insinuates that patriotic Americans who oppose mass immigration are lazy and motivated by race. He says that immigrants “have a work ethic superior to many of our own citizens who have grown dependent on welfare and unemployment benefits. This anger may reflect embarrassment as much as anything.” He also claims, “It’s hard to hide the fact that resentment toward a Hispanic immigrant is more common than toward a European illegal immigrant."

The immigration website VDARE.com refutes both of these assertions. They note that 77 percent of illegal aliens are Hispanic, while less than 5 percent of illegal and 10 percent of legal immigrants are European – so the idea that we are treating Europeans specially is specious. VDARE also points to a Center for Immigration Studies report that shows immigrants are much more likely to be on welfare than native-born American citizens.

In addition to insulting the motives of the critics of uncontrolled immigration, he argues against policies that we don’t support. According to Paul, immigration-control advocates want to “use the U.S. Army, round them up, ship them home.” In my decades fighting this battle, I have not once heard anyone advocate using the military for deportations.

Paul says deporting illegal immigrants will require “splitting up families and deporting some who have lived here for decades.” Of course, there is nothing keeping the children of illegal immigrants from going home for their parents. If we got rid of birthright citizenship, which Paul says he supports, that would not be an issue to begin with.

As for the illegals here for decades, why should we reward them for breaking the law longer than others? Some crimes have a statute of limitation, but unlawful entry into our country does not.

According to Paul, deporting such people would be “incompatible with human rights.” That is an off argument for any true libertarian to make, since the protection of true human rights begins with the U.S. Constitution and our ability to enforce the rule of law.

The truth is that we do not need to deport all illegal aliens to make them go home. If we simply prevent employers from hiring illegal aliens by using E-Verify and step up interior enforcement as Arizona, Oklahoma and other states have done, most illegal aliens will go home on their own.

Paul comes out against both these policies. He not only opposes the E-Verify program, he even comes out against all laws that prohibit employers from hiring illegal aliens. To make his point even more dramatic, he absurdly calls the idea of fining employers for hiring illegal aliens “involuntary servitude.”

Paul comes out against Arizona’s popular SB 1070 law using absurd arguments of the type normally heard only from America-hating leftists: “Arizona-type immigration legislation can turn out to be harmful. Being able to stop any American citizen under the vague charge of ‘suspicion’ is dangerous even more so in the age of secret prisons and a stated position of assassinating American citizens if deemed a ‘threat,’ without charges ever being made.”

I am still scratching my head trying to figure out what supposed secret prisons and political assassinations have to do with enforcing our immigration laws. The Arizona law’s definition of 
”reasonable suspicion” is the same standard that applies for federal immigration officials and local law enforcement for non-immigration violations, so the law does not expand police powers.

So if we can’t enforce the law, what does Paul want to do with the 12 million illegal aliens here in this country? While he says he opposes amnesty, he argues, “Maybe a ‘green card’ with an asterisk could be issued.” This “asterisk” would deny them welfare and not grant them immediate “automatic citizenship.” Both these qualifications are meaningless because every amnesty proposal makes illegal aliens jump through some symbolic hoops before they get amnesty.

I have no idea why he has changed his position on illegal immigration, but one thing is clear: Asterisk or not, Ron Paul now supports amnesty.

 

[LibertyEagle]

People like Tancredo, that don't understand liberty, get very confused when a liberty proposal appears "left-wing." Immigrants are good for our country. Welfare for immigrants is not. Immigrant labor helps grow the economy, rather than "steal jobs." Recent attempts to label Rand a "moderate" are because they don't understand what a real conservative actually looks like. Reminds me of when Dick Morris called Ron Paul "the most left-wing radical to run for President in the last 50 years.."

Immigrants are not the same thing as Illegal Aliens. We are a nation of laws. The people who broke our laws should not be rewarded for so doing, while those who did not are penalized for following them.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is actually quite similar to what Tancredo said when Ron disavowed his early paleoconservative stance on immigration in favor of a more tolerant one:

Ron was not pro-amnesty and was against open borders. He just did not believe it was too smart to strip our own selves of our liberties in the quest to curtail illegal immigration. Rather, he thought it wiser to remove the incentives. Everything Dr. Paul recommended was for the purpose of defending both our liberty and our national sovereignty and there is not anything about it that runs counter to paleo-conservatism.

 

[Miguel]

What's so funny is that self deportation was a spoof done by a Mexican comedian, I can't remember his name though he had parodies running all over the place. He had radio adds running, started a mock foundation group. They would interview him on the radio, local TV stations. Then anti immigrant conservatives would take that position, even Romney did

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Make Tancredo pay at the voting booth when he runs for Governor of Colorado. Very soon they will learn not to reckon with the liberty movement, we'll reach out and touch you in more place than you know.

 

[Luciconsort]

Am I strange that I don't care about this debate at all?

I was thinking the same thing.... don't care, next topic.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Freed negroes are not the same thing as Fugitive Slaves. We are a nation of laws. The people who broke our laws should not be rewarded for so doing, while those who did not are penalized for following them.

Simply changing the subject from 'immigrant' to 'negro' reveals your position as an argument from authority. As someone who purports to represent a limited government ideal, you should know better than to commit that fallacy.

 

[compromise]

Make Tancredo pay at the voting booth when he runs for Governor of Colorado. Very soon they will learn not to reckon with the liberty movement, we'll reach out and touch you in more place than you know.

While I don't agree with Tancredo on this issue, he'd be far better than his Democratic opponent and probably wouldn't win anyway, he seems too right wing/traditionalist (except on drugs) for Colorado.

 

[Southron]

Libertarians will never see any real political power for long. About the time they get enough power to open up immigration and therefore citizenship, their newfound fellow citizens will vote them out. Lol.