Tom Tancredo No Longer Supports Rand

[spladle]

Suppose, for the sake of argument, that there really is a white race. How would immigration have anything to do with it going extinct?

1) There really is a white race.

2) The sort of people who are concerned about "the white race going extinct" tend to be hardcore racists and advocates of immigration restriction.

 

[spladle]

So you call everyone else racists, but your true desire is to see "the white race go extinct". Nice.

No, I do not call "everyone else" racists. I only label "racist" that subset of the population which believes it is desirable to bludgeon, beat, starve, kill, and torture other human beings solely on the basis of who their parents happen to be, where they happened to be born, and what color their skin is. This seems to me like a reasonable definition of "racist."

And I have no desire to see the white race go extinct. I'm white myself. I like white people a lot!

 

[spladle]

spladle splat.

It's true, my ejaculate is rainbow-colored.

 

[anaconda]

Immigrants are not the same thing as Illegal Aliens. We are a nation of laws. The people who broke our laws should not be rewarded for so doing, while those who did not are penalized for following them.

We have had defacto legal immigration by not controlling our borders. To round up 11 million people gestapo style because we couldn't get a grip on our federal bureaucrats seems counterproductive and costly. Let's start controlling the border and let these 11 million continue to provide labor to their employers. #StandWithRand

 

[William R]

People like Tancredo, that don't understand liberty, get very confused when a liberty proposal appears "left-wing." Immigrants are good for our country. Welfare for immigrants is not. Immigrant labor helps grow the economy, rather than "steal jobs." Recent attempts to label Rand a "moderate" are because they don't understand what a real conservative actually looks like. Reminds me of when Dick Morris called Ron Paul "the most left-wing radical to run for President in the last 50 years.."

50+ percent of Hispanic families are on welfare. Granting amnesty will allow them to bring their extended families to the USA. We will see a rapid increase in the size of the welfare states. That's why Milton Friedman said you can't have open borders with a welfare state.

Huge strategic blunder by Rand. He will not get the GOP nomination now.

 

[anaconda]

Huge strategic blunder by Rand. He will not get the GOP nomination now.

Good luck on the GOP getting a nominee that can win a general election. However, I am confident that much of the "tough-on-immigration" vote will be sufficiently attracted to Rand's other conservative positions to pull the lever for him.

 

[erowe1]

50+ percent of Hispanic families are on welfare. Granting amnesty will allow them to bring their extended families to the USA.

How do you propose not letting them bring their extended families?

Huge strategic blunder by Rand. He will not get the GOP nomination now.

Has it been your observation in recent elections that the GOP nomination tends to go to candidates who distinguish themselves by wanting to restrict immigration?

 

[Carson]

Perhaps this goes beyond a race or a color. There are borders all around the world.

Also not just around countries. There are borders to many concepts. People who try to build tend to try and hold to a set of rules in a given space.

It is more about respect.

 

[erowe1]

Perhaps this goes beyond a race or a color. There are borders all around the world.

Also not just around countries. There are borders to many concepts. People who try to build tend to try and hold to a set of rules in a given space.

But borders shouldn't be imposed on us against our will. If I want to hire, or work for, or rent a room out to, or marry, or assimilate to, people of whatever culture I want, the regime has no business stopping me.

 

[Brett85]

Good luck on the GOP getting a nominee that can win a general election. However, I am confident that much of the "tough-on-immigration" vote will be sufficiently attracted to Rand's other conservative positions to pull the lever for him.

And Rand actually is tough on illegal immigration, since he's the only one who's presented a plan that will actually secure the border.

 

[anaconda]

And Rand actually is tough on illegal immigration, since he's the only one who's presented a plan that will actually secure the border.

A fact seemingly lost on Tom Tancredo.

 

[Christian Liberty]

But borders shouldn't be imposed on us against our will. If I want to hire, or work for, or rent a room out to, or marry, or assimilate to, people of whatever culture I want, the regime has no business stopping me.

Agreed, but the regime also has no right to steal from me in order to pay for anyone, including illegals.

 

[Brett85]

It seems as though Rand is right in line with the American people and the Republican Party on this issue. 72% of Americans support a path to citizenship, but 84% of Americans also support border security to stop illegal immigration, and 69% support securing the border first, before we move on to a path to citizenship.

http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

 

[fr33]

I found his line about Rand speaking Spanish to be offensive and slightly racist.

 

[anaconda]

I found his line about Rand speaking Spanish to be offensive and slightly racist.

 

[spladle]

50+ percent of Hispanic families are on welfare. Granting amnesty will allow them to bring their extended families to the USA. We will see a rapid increase in the size of the welfare states.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that this were true. An increase in the size of the welfare state would be unimaginably better than the present state of Apartheid/Jim Crow that exists today. Surely you agree, yes?

That's why Milton Friedman said you can't have open borders with a welfare state.

Nobody is proposing open borders in the sense that MF meant it. "Instant citizenship" is not on the table.

Huge strategic blunder by Rand. He will not get the GOP nomination now.

McCain is well to the left of Rand on this issue, as is Marco Rubio. Ignoring how wrong you are, though, let's pretend this was in fact the case. If only inhuman monsters can win the GOP nomination, then we shouldn't want to win the GOP nomination. We should be working to burn the party to the fucking ground.

 

[Origanalist]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that this were true. An increase in the size of the welfare state would be unimaginably better than the present state of Apartheid/Jim Crow that exists today. Surely you agree, yes?

I'm not for a increase in the warfare-welfare state in any circumstance.

 

[spladle]

I'm not for a increase in the warfare-welfare state in any circumstance.

This seems like an absurd statement. You're saying you'd prefer the status quo to a state that spent 1/4 as much on warfare and 1.01x as much on welfare? Or 1/4 as much on welfare and 1.01x as much on warfare?

 

[Origanalist]

This seems like an absurd statement. You're saying you'd prefer the status quo to a state that spent 1/4 as much on warfare and 1.01x as much on welfare? Or 1/4 as much on welfare and 1.01x as much on warfare?

Oh for petes sake, are you trolling me because you're bored?

 

[anaconda]

the present state of Apartheid/Jim Crow that exists today.

Where do we find Jim Crow today?