Today's the debate! OFFICIAL 9/7 debate thread!

I was talking to some friends of mine on Facebook while watching the debate. They are all former Obama supporters who have turned to Ron Paul because they feel Obama lied to them. One of them even said that every time she sees Ron Paul she smiles. :) 75% of my former Obama-loving friends are now for Ron Paul. That's why MSNBC has to minimize him. He's stealing Obama votes.
 
LiveFree79 said:
Not only that people like PaulConventionWV will never undersatnd why someone like Paul will never make it to the White House in order to lead this country. Sorry but you have to be cunning, manipulative, etc. to win in politics. Everyone else does it why shouldn't Ron Paul? It wouldn't detract from his message. People want someone like Paul in the White House but they expect him to play by the rules and be the good guy when everyone else is shitting on him and NOT playing by the rules themselves. You gotta do what you gotta do to get elected. Ron needs to pull up the stops and start playing politics in order to WIN! THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS IS IF HE ACTUALLY WINS! ALL THE primaries, debates, etc. don't mean crap if he doesn't win. This country is on the brink of disaster and tyranny and Paul needs to man the hell up and get elected..............once he is elected he can get back to business.
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Great points. Remind me, has Ron Paul ever won any elections?
 
Badger Paul said:
". They froze him out and pushed the mainstream guys, big wow. We should expect that already. "

Yes but we can use it to our advantage if we attack the debate itself as being a joke.
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This. But we need the stats on questions per candidate and talk time per candidate. I'm pretty sure Ron will be way below the others.
 
AJ187 said:
Gawd, you guys are being overcritical. I just watched this whole debate with 3 non supporters and all of them agree they liked Ron the best. They laughed at all the petty squabbling that went on. You guys got to remember that we see things through a certain perception that the average voter does not. We WANT to scream at the screen when the neo cons put on their little dog and pony show and ignore the real troubling truth of any given issue for the quick fix. Luckily, tonight Ron was able to inject some real sensibility in the debate.
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agreed
 
LiveFree79 said:
I've watched this debate from the very beginning. Ron Paul is almost embarrassing to listen to. I hate to say it as I love the guy and agree with a lot of what he says. But he will not win with his incoherent rants and silly little glibs that he tries to be funny with. His AC comment about the troops and FEMA burned him. His rant about a border fence keeping Americans in got zero applause and was embarrassing. People don't want to hear crap like that. He could have answered the drug border war question brillianty by following up with his legalization of drugs and taxing marijuana production but he just rambled trying to fit in several arguments. Using words like ALL, END, ABOLISH, i.e. absolutes will never get him anywhere. He needs to play politics a little bit. He made a comment about $2.00 gas and brought up a 10 cent silver piece worth $3.50..........ok that went right over everyone's head obviously....INSTEAD HE SHOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FED INFLATING THE MONEY SUPPLY WHICH IS WHAT HIS POINT WAS!!!!!!! Sorry but Ron Paul is done. He he spoke like Herman Cain who I hate he'd have the nomination already.
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I think you hit the nail on the head with most of your post. His answers were a little too over-the-top for the average voter. Some people here just refuse to accept that Ron need to speak at the level of the people, who he needs to influence in order to win. The libertarians and the Ron Paul fans here are most likely going to be voting for him so he doesn't need to give answers that would solely generate praises here.

I just can't over the fence answer he made. It just sounded too "Alex-Jones-ey" and it was just way over the head of the audience members. Same with the that "silver dime for a gallon of gas" answer.

It's almost as if Ron is trying to be a little bit creative in modifying his usual answers to sound a bit funny and interesting but I think it fell flat and it could be detrimental to his image after tonight. I think he should stick with the usual answers he gave in the previous 3 debates but present the answers smoothly, to the point and short.
 
This debate was a farce. It was hosted by the establishment left and participated in by the establishment right. Only one candidate didn't fit that paradigm - Ron Paul. I'm fine with that. Had he swam comfortably in that shit and been treated well by the other nimrods on stage, as well as by the moderators, it would have spoken ill of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul ranks third or fourth in the polls, and is a valid candidate. He, and his ideas, are part of the national conversation. That's going to have to be enough for me.
 
"We won the intellectual debate, hands down. I heard the words "Fed, QE2 and Keynesian," among many other ideas that were blatantly lifted from Dr. Paul's platform. Keep your collective head up folks. It's a long way from over. "

Amen to that. I wish more people around here would understand what's really going on. For somebody so "crazy", the other candidates sure do lift a lot from his platform.
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Ron Paul was just OK this debate (although good enough to get one convert who I was watching with, so not too bad). But this was the biggest deal - Ron Paul's ideas are starting to become mainstream! Yes, they are being coopted. Yes, they are even being twisted some. Yet we all know Ron Paul is simply the messenger for the idea of true liberty and this proves that the idea is beginning to spread, however small. I'm not sure what effect this debate will have or if Ron will win any states at all, but he is officially making a lasting impact on the American landscape. I am so proud to be a Ron Paul supporter today!
 
I expect a lot of press about how much the other candidates sound like Ron Paul. It's interesting that he still managed to distinguish himself with the comments about the fence and the TSA. The only moment that struck me as unwise was the bit about defunding A/C for the Afghanistan troops, but I'm going by descriptions since my stream hiccupped at that point.
 
Its funny how when Ron Paul gets ignored for 30 minutes and asked the fewest questions asked in a setup manner kind of way that some "supporters" get nervous or discouraged about his candidacy. What about the approach that we are in this together and that Ron is there representing liberty and that instead of criticizing him about his performance, would it not be better focused for us to engage ourselves even more to target these unfair and bias positions that the media has upon his campaign with actual organizing against them like we did in 2007/08? Ron Paul cannot win this alone nor could he change our nation alone to restore our natural liberties, it takes all of us to make a difference everyday and everyway possible to our capabilities, not to waste energy by crying over who the media favors and whether some sheep absorb and imitate the tv talking heads, NO, but direct our energy in positive action by telling our friends and neighbors why we support liberty and why Ron Paul is the most trusted man to uphold it. The sheep will catch on eventually. Focus on those who will listen to you and get them to think and not imitate, to be a self-leader and not a follower...because when self-researched and confronted with the truth...the person is sets himself free.

Ron Paul can be our Led Zeppelin...that is if each and EVERYONE of us are willing to personally go all out in his and our support for liberty by spreading the word and being their own representative of liberty and endorsing Ron Paul as the executive upholder.

Excuse me while I plan for my neighborhood door to door knocking and educating tomorrow evening, because I don't depend on anyone but me to uphold my liberty...but it would be nice to have Ron Paul for executive support.
 
NorfolkPCSolutions said:
This debate was a farce. It was hosted by the establishment left and participated in by the establishment right. Only one candidate didn't fit that paradigm - Ron Paul. I'm fine with that. Had he swam comfortably in that shit and been treated well by the other nimrods on stage, as well as by the moderators, it would have spoken ill of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul ranks third or fourth in the polls, and is a valid candidate. He, and his ideas, are part of the national conversation. That's going to have to be enough for me.
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THAT IS THE POINT! So what if these debats are a farce.Ron Paul still has to get through them the best he can....Paul needs to ADAPT!!!!! He needs to WIN! He needs to play politics! My god ........you want him to cry like a baby, take his toys and go home? Man up and deal with it......we dont live in a perfect world where everyone is going to like Ron Paul and he will get plenty of time to answer his questions. Paul should know he's going to be slighted and maligned............he's anti establishment........He needs the confidence, the class, and the sophistication to deal with that type of pressure.
 
Emmitt2222 said:
Ron Paul was just OK this debate (although good enough to get one convert who I was watching with, so not too bad). But this was the biggest deal - Ron Paul's ideas are starting to become mainstream! Yes, they are being coopted. Yes, they are even being twisted some. Yet we all know Ron Paul is simply the messenger for the idea of true liberty and this proves that the idea is beginning to spread, however small. I'm not sure what effect this debate will have or if Ron will win any states at all, but he is officially making a lasting impact on the American landscape. I am so proud to be a Ron Paul supporter today!
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The problem is if our man doesnt win.. no one will go through with it. They are diluting his impact by trying to take his positions. The average voter will not know ron paul has been speaking like this for 30 years unless the campaign does something about it .... this ad is a start .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtdFtSAmLw
 
Ron Paul's campaign commercial just showed during the break on MSNBC post debate analysis....wtf?
 
Truth ad airing right now in NYC! (MSDNC) btw did maddow say SANTORUM was coming up as a guest?!?
 
Saw this comment:

"I almost never watch these things, but I did watch this one. Paul started off well and gave some good answers on how regulation hurts poor people. Unfortunately, he just went off the reservation after that (from a classical liberal point of view). His Constitution-worship made him seem intellectually weak and unprincipled, while his answer on immigration was just a disaster. There are lots of libertarian arguments for immigration; his answer just came off as petty ("that's not what we are as a country,") and delusional ("the fence will keep us in!"). Still, best of a bad bunch, I guess."
 
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