Today's the debate! OFFICIAL 9/7 debate thread!

[Brett]

I think I agree with Perry and Romney. I agree with Perry that Romney was a crappy governor, and with Romney that Perry was a crappy governor. Why do all the MSNBC articles frame it to pick one or the other?

 

[gjdavis60]

Frankly, I think the worst that will come from this debate is that Ron's part in it will not be discussed. In my opinion, he got the least number of questions and had the least time to talk. The media will do what they have always done with him and that is ignore him. The answer about the fence is not going to be used to attack Paul because nobody thinks he is worth the ink. Just my two cents.

 

[cdc482]

Anyone notice that Perry couldn't name any scientists. The moderator exposed him as a fake.

 

[wgadget]

Perry mentioning "KENyian" (pronounced like the country where Obama's father was from) instead of the economic term is not encouraging; it only means that the mainstream will take a few Ron Paul talking points and catch=phrase them out for a nod or two. Perry couldn't even detail what Keynesian economics means.

Perry pronouncing it wrong makes him look like the moron that he is.

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

http://online.worldmag.com/2011/09/...-wednesdays-gop-debate-at-the-reagan-library/

another poll?

 

[GreenBulldog]

I wish Newt didn't mention the comment about the panel pitting people against each other. It was fun to see all those hypocrites attack each other about their bad track record.

It only makes DRP look good and they won't attack him because, well, there's nothing to attack him on.

And if they dare try to attack his principles or policies, he'll rip them apart like he did so many others.

 

[bunklocoempire]

MSNBC is killing Perry, total slam fest, so that can't be bad. No mention of Ron yet.

Thanks for taking one for the team and the update.

I'm going to have to steer clear of anything "NBC" for a while... can't really afford a new TV if I happen to kick in the one we got...


Bunkloco

 

[Badger Paul]

"We won the intellectual debate, hands down. I heard the words "Fed, QE2 and Keynesian," among many other ideas that were blatantly lifted from Dr. Paul's platform. Keep your collective head up folks. It's a long way from over. "

Amen to that. I wish more people around here would understand what's really going on. For somebody so "crazy", the other candidates sure do lift a lot from his platform.

The more we can discredit this debate for being a staged establishment play fight. in comment forums across the internet the better we'll be. That's all it was.

 

[FlatIron]

Yeah, so who exactly was IN THIS CROWD?

Doesn't matter who is in it, the problem is that the moderate Republican's, whom dont know who to vote for, will think of Rick Perry as a good candidate since the crowd does seem to support him

 

[DrN0]

I don't see what was so bad about tonight's debate. Ron didn't make any gaffe that anyone's talking about. They froze him out and pushed the mainstream guys, big wow. We should expect that already.

I agree 100%

 

[ApathyCuredRP]

"We won the intellectual debate, hands down. I heard the words "Fed, QE2 and Keynesian," among many other ideas that were blatantly lifted from Dr. Paul's platform. Keep your collective head up folks. It's a long way from over. "

Amen to that. I wish more people around here would understand what's really going on. For somebody so "crazy", the other candidates sure do lift a lot from his platform.

The more we can discredit this debate for being a staged establishment play fight. in comment forums across the internet the better we'll be. That's all it was.

Right... but it is smoke and mirrors. you know none of it will come true. they use these movements to hijack the position then ignore it once elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtdFtSAmLw

 

[parocks]

Well, after a long period of abstention, RP answers the very last question of the debate, and garners applause from the audience. Well done.

Sad to say this, but somehow, I doubt Paul will be a part of the next debate. Please convince me I'm wrong, forum...

Why would he not be?

 

[Shane Harris]

Thanks for taking one for the team and the update.

I'm going to have to steer clear of anything "NBC" for a while... can't really afford a new TV if I happen to kick in the one we got...


Bunkloco

this. as soon as i heard maddows voice the window was closed.

 

[Badger Paul]

". They froze him out and pushed the mainstream guys, big wow. We should expect that already. "

Yes but we can use it to our advantage if we attack the debate itself as being a joke.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

Ugh...

 

[SlowSki]

not sure if this has been posted. Just saw it on facebook.

h ttp://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/13/6851987-poll-who-won-tonights-gop-debate

 

[LiveFree79]

I don't see what was so bad about tonight's debate. Ron didn't make any gaffe that anyone's talking about. They froze him out and pushed the mainstream guys, big wow. We should expect that already.

So that is the standard we hold Paul to now? Hoping he doesn't make a "gaffe"? How pathetic does that sound? As intelligent as Paul is and as spot on as he is with his ideas and beliefs he should be DOMINATING these fools! But he gets caught up in needless rants and rambles.. Like an old man talking to himself while pacing back and forth in his living room. I think what is so eye opening is everyone that blindly supports him no matter how good or bad he sounds in debates. He needs to be held accountable for his performance. Nobody froze anyone out tonight. Paul got enough to time to put forth his ideas and arguments in a concise and coherent manner....again he didn't. Cutting off AC to the troops thus forcing them to come home? Funny? Yeah ok.......He should have talked about blow back, the debt, the MI complex. Instead he stoops the the level of cutting off AC for trooops? I expect more. We spend $20 billion on AC for the troops? OK what about all the money we send to Israel, Pakistan, Somalia, etc. He mentioned nothing about our trade deficit and China.

 

[falconplayer11]

Except for Ron Paul, everyone on that stage was a disgusting human being who treats human life as if it is something to be played with...a means to some political end.

I'm never going to watch one of these pathetic "debates" again. I bet Ron Paul hates being up there, too...absolutely hates it.

 

[sailingaway]

It's bad because the average voter will never believe a Berlin wall situation would happen here. They hear Paul's answer and their response is 'wtf is this man talking about' and the media is going to make his answer into a soundbyte to convince people he's as crazy as ever. It is our message. But our message won't go anywhere without making it everyone elses message too!

It's too philosophical for people to get in a soundbite, it comes off as a conspiracy thing. He doesn't want border controls. Already US citizens need passports to travel, there are reporting requirements on taking out money, your laptop can be searched at the border stuff that would have been considered unthinkable once upon a time. I think he is reprising his 'what would we think if they did it there' to 'what if it is turned on us' in what he sees as a more palatable reason for just not liking a wall at the border. Fact is though, while that piece doesn't appeal to him, he did vote for it when it was combined with other stuff he wanted on enforcement, etc.

 

[AJ187]

Gawd, you guys are being overcritical. I just watched this whole debate with 3 non supporters and all of them agree they liked Ron the best. They laughed at all the petty squabbling that went on. You guys got to remember that we see things through a certain perception that the average voter does not. We WANT to scream at the screen when the neo cons put on their little dog and pony show and ignore the real troubling truth of any given issue for the quick fix. Luckily, tonight Ron was able to inject some real sensibility in the debate.