Today's the debate! OFFICIAL 9/7 debate thread!

Um, I don't think he literally meant a border fence would be used to keep us in, but rather that the police state, as a creation, can and will ultimately be used against the citizenry, not the intended targets. See: Patriot Act, used in Drug War instead of Terrorism War. Hopefully he goes back and explains that.
 
The answer about barbed-wire fences was the best answer yet by Ron. I have contended that at some point America will be like North Korea, and we will not be allowed to leave when the economy falls further.
 
Are you people out of your minds?! That was an awesome -- and very accurate -- observation. It was the elephant in the room with all of that fence talk, and Ron manned up and said it.

He just made a LOT of wealthy republicans think about the fence from a different POV.
 
That sounds like the Freepers who can't think of a better argument against Ron Paul than 'OMG his voice is so HIGH-PITCHED and WHINEY!'

Have you ever tried raising the level of discourse? You might enjoy the experience.

Okay. I disagree with Ms. Bachmann's policies. Also, her voice makes my ears bleed, as does Sarah Palin's. They both sound like Kyle's mom from South Park.

Lighten up, friend. Good evening.
 
Are you people out of your minds?! That was an awesome -- and very accurate -- observation. It was the elephant in the room with all of that fence talk, and Ron manned up and said it.

i heard it and me and my wife are like wow, ron just told it how it is and many agree, ron just hit the nail on the head and i want the media to cover it!
 
OMFG!!

Ron Paul just talked about the possibility of them using the border fences to keep US IN!!

WOW!
Jesse Ventura said the same exact thing... multiple times. be nice to cover the control of government at ever second of your lives. Dictating the rules and cost to the people when .gov controls it all.

People should never allow such schemes... just like the gun and drug running in Mexico Central and South America.


NOTE: lower level has plenty of open seats.
 
You guys are so over dramatic, jeez. I don't think that line was bad at all, it made me think. I hope it makes everyone else think.

Every debate I say this. Don't criticize Ron Paul for telling the truth, criticize the people for not knowing the truth.
 
I'd like to hear some seasoned RPF members commenting. So far only 2007-08 people (with few posts) are commenting, and they are all saying bad things.
 
PERRY AND HILLARYCARE

During An Interview On Sean Hannity’s Radio Show On August 30, Perry Said He Signed A Letter Praising Hillary Clinton’s Health Reform Efforts Before The Full Scope Of Her Plan Was Known:

In A Letter To Hillary Clinton In 1993, Then-Texas Agriculture Commissioner Perry Praised The Then-First Lady’s Efforts On Health Care Reform. “Texas Governor Rick Perry has been among the most vocal critics of President Obama’s health care reform initiative, and of Mitt Romney’s preceding health care program in Massachusetts. But in 1993, while serving as Texas Agriculture Commissioner, Perry praised the efforts of then-first lady Hillary Clinton to reform health care, a precursor to Obama’s health care reform efforts.” (Alexis Levinson And Caroline May, “Rick Perry’s Camp Defends 1993 HillaryCare Praise,” The Daily Caller, 8/30/11)

· Perry To Hillary: “I Think Your Efforts In Trying To Reform The Nation’s Health Care System Are Most Commendable.” (Alexis Levinson And Caroline May, “Rick Perry’s Camp Defends 1993 HillaryCare Praise,” The Daily Caller, 8/30/11)

· Perry’s Letter Was Dated April 6, 1993:



During An Interview On Sean Hannity’s Radio Show On August 30, Perry Said That He Had No Idea Of The “Monstrosity” That The Clinton Health Care Reform Bill Would Become At The Time He The Letter. “And, [Perry] said, at the time he wrote the letter, he did not know what a ‘monstrosity’ Clinton’s final proposal would be. ‘I had no idea that was going to be the end product. What I thought they were truly going to work towards was trying to reform health care, and we had no idea.‘ he said.” (Caroline May, “Perry Hits Back: Obama’s Policies Are ‘Dumb’,” The Daily Caller, 8/30/11)

· Listen To The Interview Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUc7JpPqEFc

However, An Article That Was Published Before He Signed The Letter Said Aspects Such As An Employer Mandate Were Already Known Parts Of The Clinton Health Plan:

Los Angeles Times On April 5, 1993: The Clinton Plan Would Mandate That Employers Provide Their Workers With Health Insurance. “Barring unexpected hitches, the Clinton plan also will: (…) Phase in a requirement for employers to provide workers with health insurance, with government subsidies to help the smaller businesses.” (Edwin Chen, “Shape Of New Health Plan Is Emerging,” Los Angeles Times, 4/5/93)

Los Angeles Times On April 5, 1993: The Key To The Hillary Clinton Health Care Plan Would Have Been The Creation Of Regional Health Insurance Cooperatives. “The key to making this concept work nationally is the creation of government-certified regional health insurance purchasing cooperatives. Most Americans would be grouped into the large cooperatives, with consumers able to choose from a variety of insurance networks -- ranging from HMOs to traditional fee-for-service plans that allow the patient to choose any physician.”(Edwin Chen, “Shape Of New Health Plan Is Emerging,” Los Angeles Times, 4/5/93)

· Los Angeles Times On April 5, 1993: While The States Were To Be Given Latitude, Some Smaller And More Rural States Would Be Allowed To Set Up Single-Payer Systems. “Within the federal system, states will be given considerable latitude. In small states and rural states, where size rules out the existence of more than one provider network, states may be empowered to set statewide rates in an arrangement known as a single-payer system.” (Edwin Chen, “Shape Of New Health Plan Is Emerging,” Los Angeles Times, 4/5/93)

Los Angeles Times On April 5, 1993: Clinton’s Plan Would Guarantee A Basic Set Of Benefits For Everyone Including Mental Health Care And Prescription Drug Coverage.“Barring unexpected hitches, the Clinton plan also will: Guarantee that a uniform package of basic benefits will be available to everyone, although not all the uninsured will get this coverage right away. Among the basic benefits would be hospital and doctor services, including mental health care, and some prescription drug coverage.” (Edwin Chen, “Shape Of New Health Plan Is Emerging,” Los Angeles Times, 4/5/93)

Los Angeles Times On April 5, 1993: The Clinton Plan Would Bar Insurers From Refusing To Cover People With Pre-Existing Conditions. “Barring unexpected hitches, the Clinton plan also will: (…) Create a standardized insurance form and bar insurers from refusing to cover people with pre-existing medical conditions, in order to enable people to change jobs -- and insurers -- without fear of losing coverage.” (Edwin Chen, “Shape Of New Health Plan Is Emerging,” Los Angeles Times, 4/5/93)

You know you're preaching to the choir, right?
 
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