Today's the debate! OFFICIAL 9/7 debate thread!

Napoleon's Shadow said:
The fact they are co-opting our language means that we are winning.
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Part of me really wants to agree with this. OTOH, I can't help but wonder if the classical liberals felt that way the first time they heard 'liberal' used to denote big-government handouts. Eventually they lost the liberal word to big-government supporters.
 
Dont freak out ppl. I have a feeling that there is going to be a nice big positive bump. There will be a lot of discussion. Dont be surprised if the next debate all the candidates are worried about border fences keeping people in.

Keep on campaigning!
 
I watched this debate with 3 non-supporters. They have not been following this election yet. In fact, they only thought of Ron as "that crazy guy" going into the debate.

What were their thoughts? They said he was the winner of the debate, all three. Why? Well he spoke in plain terms to them, he was coherent and raised questions that were unlike the rest of the field: they weren't directed at Obama negatively. They said he was the only one who seemed truly genuine in his responses and CARED about the future. They were disappointed they couldn't hear a question on jobs or foreign policy.

They asked me when they can see him again.

Folks, you need to step out of this world and look at the big picture. Sure to us it may seem that it was a subpar performance, but we know Ron, we have seen him on his A-Game, most voters have not! It is the primary voter, it is their perception that matters, not ours. There are many debates coming up, this one will just become a blur into the rest of them. Relax. We need to make sure we to make sure we organize for the coming debates and make sure we have supporters in the audience. Do not become discouraged and remain active!
 
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LiveFree79 said:
So that is the standard we hold Paul to now? Hoping he doesn't make a "gaffe"? How pathetic does that sound? As intelligent as Paul is and as spot on as he is with his ideas and beliefs he should be DOMINATING these fools! But he gets caught up in needless rants and rambles.. Like an old man talking to himself while pacing back and forth in his living room. I think what is so eye opening is everyone that blindly supports him no matter how good or bad he sounds in debates. He needs to be held accountable for his performance. Nobody froze anyone out tonight. Paul got enough to time to put forth his ideas and arguments in a concise and coherent manner....again he didn't. Cutting off AC to the troops thus forcing them to come home? Funny? Yeah ok.......He should have talked about blow back, the debt, the MI complex. Instead he stoops the the level of cutting off AC for trooops? I expect more. We spend $20 billion on AC for the troops? OK what about all the money we send to Israel, Pakistan, Somalia, etc. He mentioned nothing about our trade deficit and China.
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He probably does need to have a great debate performance at some time. But a fantastic debate performance is not necessary in September. He really isn't a great debater. But his ideas are right. It just isn't something to worry very much about. I'd like to see him memorize a few statements. Short, full sentences. Where you can hear every single word. Sentences with a beginning, middle and end. He typically doesn't wail in debates. Oh well.

You're acting like you've never seen Ron Paul in a debate before. This is how it goes. It wasn't a particularly bad debate. He didn't mock people who wanted to keep heroin illegal. No attacking everyone else for not taking the side of our enemy.

Perry didn't impress. That's a good takeaway.
 
"Speaking of #gopdebate, which I'm not watching, is Ron Paul still in the race? Haven't seen any tweets on how he's doing"

Boooooo.
 
The Midnight Ride said:
I watched this debate with 3 non-supporters. They have not been following this election yet. In fact, they only thought of Ron as "that crazy guy" going into the debate.

What were their thoughts? They said he was the winner of the debate, all three. Why? Well he spoke in plain terms to them, he was coherent and raised questions that were unlike the rest of the field: they weren't directed at Obama negatively. They said he was the only one who seemed truly genuine in his responses and CARED about the future. They were disappointed they couldn't hear a question on jobs or foreign policy.

They asked me when they can see him again.

Folks, you need to step out of this world and look at the big picture. Sure to us it may seem that it was a subpar performance, but we know Ron, we have seen him on his A-Game, most voters have not! It is the primary voter, it is their perception that matters, not ours. There are many debates coming up, this one will just become a blur into the rest of them. Relax. We need to make sure we to make sure we organize for the coming debates and make sure we have supporters in the audience. Do not become discourage and remain active!
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I like these mini focus groups.

These were 18-29s, right? Independents? Democrats? Republicans? Where?
 
cdc482 said:
Ron Paul's ideas becoming mainstream isn't a plus!!! WAKE UP!

Ron Paul's ideas on foreign policy became mainstream in 2000 under Bush, but it didn't matter because Bush was a puppet. We need an honest person who actually believes in Ron Paul's ideas! None of the "mainstream" contenders we saw up there sincerely beleive in Ron Paul's ideas! Don't expect any of them to follow through if elected. We need to get the honest guy elected, and our job would be a lot easier if his ideas weren't being mimiced and ripped-off by everyone else!
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There are positive benefits. The voters will at least expect the candidate to do what they say they'll do.
 
Well, if Ron doesn't win the nomination, at least the good news is that none of the rest of 'em will ever be President either.

I think Ron did great in this debate. He told the truth. He always does.

But Ron's debate performace (good or bad) isn't the issue

The thing that the establishment republicans need to remember is that in order to win, a candidate HAS to attract the independents, and there is only one candidate who does.

Nominate anyone else but Ron, and they lose (again).
 
Hunstman, Santorum, Gingrich & Cain are all polling too low to be included in these debates.
 
Dary said:
Well, if Ron doesn't win the nomination, at least the good news is that none of the rest of 'em will ever be President either.

I think Ron did great in this debate. He told the truth. He always does.

But Ron's debate performace (good or bad) isn't the issue

The thing that the establishment republicans need to remember is that in order to win, a candidate HAS to attract the independents, and there is only one candidate who does.

Nominate anyone else but Ron, and they lose (again).
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+1 Ron is the only one who can beat Obama. If Ron isn't the nominee, I'm not even going to bother voting. Statist BS!
 
parocks said:
I like these mini focus groups.

These were 18-29s, right? Independents? Democrats? Republicans? Where?
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Two were 18-29s and one 50+. The 18-29s I would describe as Bush types and the 50+ a former Huckabee supporter. Unfortunately this is Illinois, but it is still important to consider how the typical voter views Ron, not us.
 
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I must have been watching an old debate or something because in the one I watched, Ron did quite well. He really stood out, which is what we need. What he said about the problem of overly strict borders "keeping us in" is true. That's what Ron does. He tells the truth. Whether it is popular or not, if its true he will say it and that's why I love him.

Is anyone really surprised that he was treated unfairly? Haven't we watched a debate before? This was incredibly standard.

Angry at the media? Pledge!
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I didn't watch the debate, but I just saw a clip on some website of Ron addressing the Gardisil vaccine. I thought he did great!
 
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