floridasun1983
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So where's our Sunshine Pumper in Chief, 1836?
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Huh? We won
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He's reluctant to eat crow.
I probably shouldn't but words in his mouth; but I suspect he's frustrated by the consistent resistance to reality that Ron Paul supporters seem to show when they proclaim things again and again, such as "TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT WE WIN MINNESOTA" or "We'll finish 2nd in Nevada" or "the polls are rigged!" or "the vote is fixed" etc.
If we insist on living in the land where conspiracy is king and we openly disregard any and all information that doesn't reflect positively on our candidate, then we have no chance at successfully persuading the soft Republican voters that sway with the frontrunner. We've got to be a lot more critical and honest with ourselves if we hope to succeed, and the persistent shut down of critical conversation in an effort to falsely prop-up positivity only succeeds in helping our movement succumb to mass collective delusion.
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Kiss my ass. I was working.
I apologize for nothing. We won a significant moral and momentum victory, if not an electoral one.
Some of you negative folks seem to forget that our greatest asset is the energy of our supporters. And you sages who think so highly of being pessimistic are hurting the campaign and the movement.
Get off your cloud. Get on the ground with the rest of us. And keep your eye on the prize.
Look. Santorum is the anti-Romney.
Look at the fact that Wrong-ney and Newter have no chance at getting top 2 in MN. Romney shows pretty bad in MO and Newt cannot even get onto the ballot. This shows that people are still searching. Can'torum has ZERO ground game and has not been fully exposed to the criticism of being targeted. The 40+'s have not given us an honest look. We need to keep CONVINCING and working on it. It is obvious that we have not related to them as of yet.
Santorum is not winning. It is just the newest round robin anti-Romney going around again.
Brokered convention is still a real end game scenario. Do not get down. Fill in the delegate spots and keep going forward.
Santorum will not be able to keep this up. A few attacks and he crumples.
Look at the fact that Wrong-ney and Newter have no chance at getting top 2 in MN. Romney shows pretty bad in MO and Newt cannot even get onto the ballot. This shows that people are still searching. Can'torum has ZERO ground game and has not been fully exposed to the criticism of being targeted. The 40+'s have not given us an honest look. We need to keep CONVINCING and working on it. It is obvious that we have not related to them as of yet.
Santorum is not winning. It is just the newest round robin anti-Romney going around again.
Brokered convention is still a real end game scenario. Do not get down. Fill in the delegate spots and keep going forward.
Santorum will not be able to keep this up. A few attacks and he crumples.
*snicker*
I think what we critical supporters are saying is that it's you positive people who are on cloud koo-koo land and that it's your warped perception of reality which is hurting the energy of our supporters when the undeniable reality eventually and continually smacks us in the face and knocks us back down from your baseless koo-koo land cloud.
We "sages" believe it's that very denial of reality on your part that is hurting the campaign and the movement, because it gives us false confidence and it allows us to gloss over areas where we might need to improve.
You may call us pessimistic, but I assure you we're actually idealists (we'd have to be to still be here); only we're idealists who are struggling to be realists because we know a realistic perspective with an idealistic attitude is what will be required if we're to be most effective, most productive, and actually win.
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I see a half of glass of water.
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You want to place a bet on who knows more about campaigns? Since you seem to be the above-it-all expert, sneering down his nose.
Here is the thing about a campaign that you utterly fail to get: when you lose your heart, you lose everything. I know the odds are long. I know the battle is tough. I have been through this in '08 and in other ways, I know campaigns are rough.
The solution is to keep your head up and not go negative.
It is fine to level legitimate criticism in a reasonable way, but when you want to toot toot toot about how wise you are because you are down on the campaign, you hurt the campaign. You help kill it.
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Delegates.
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From CNN:
Santorum
16,096
45%
5
Paul
9,879
27%
2
Romney
6,128
17%
2
Gingrich
3,768
10%
0
Santorum
16,096
45%
5
Paul
9,879
27%
2
Romney
6,128
17%
2
Gingrich
3,768
10%
0
I agree with this.
Santorum was EXPECTED to win MN. I wanted him to. There is absolutely NO way he will EVER, ever, ever win the candidacy. He BARELY...after many recounts got enough signatures to be on Indiana's ballot. He won't pull any independents or a single liberal because he thinks government should have a say restricting EVERYBODY'S access to birth control (state OR federal control...nobody wants either government limiting an "adult's" access to birth control...NOT the same thing as asking taxpayers to pay for it...just government--state or fed--in adult bedrooms will never go with moderate or mainstream voters.) He's a no-go.
Mitt Romney needs the wind taken out of his sails and his electability challenged. He will NEVER, EVER carry grass-roots conservatives, he is so obviously not one of "the people". Even holds his gun like a sissy in photo ops.
Liberals are NOT going to choose him over Obama because he comes across like Gorden Gekko, representing the very WORST of the WORST of capitalism...he made his money through the corrupt big bankers and the worst kind of corporate blood-sucking kind of dealings...leaving ravages of ruined lives in his wake. He offers NOTHING to the working class (snubbing the auto unions...which I agree with but no union person will) and having the OPPOSITE of a decent record as a job getter. It doesn't get MUCH worse than being 47th worse state for employment out of 50. And it is darned obvious he has never gotten his hands dirty doing any kind of physical labor.
The ONLY reason for liberals NOT to choose Obama again is because we are still at war (something no self-respecting liberal or progressive doesn't abhor) and Romney, believe it or not, is more FOR war even than Santorum. Santorum's reasons are probably racist or Biblical. Romney is the one who is into WAR for the money and Romney is the ONLY candidate to actually have spelled out increasing spending for the military, building more ships and planes AND adding more active duty troops.
And believe it or not, LOTS of progressives...Glenn Greenwald for one...as well as ALL of the ACLU are horrified over Obama's imperialism...how he invaded Libya without congressional approval--overriding the WORST of Bush's imperialist missteps. How he not only DIDN'T repeal the Patriot act, instead actually expanding it. Lots of tea party people and constitutionalists ALSO are frightened by the increasing executive powers and the loss of human and civil liberties we have undergone since the Patriot Act.
Romney offers NO IMPROVEMENT on either the war or human rights and civil liberty issues to Obama. On war, he is WORSE than Obama and says Obama has been too timid and not spent ENOUGH money on the military. (I can link to LOTS of videos of Romney on war and expanding the military...it is the ONLY issue on which he hasn't reversed his stance on EVER.)
He is big government, hired by the bankers, won't stand up to the bankers to fight for the investors--the banks BOUGHT him...he won't be any stronger with them than Obama (bought by the SAME bankers) was. His job-getting skills, according to his governing record, are embarrassing. No incentive to voters on THAT issue.
There are lots of reasons Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate acceptable to some of us (no more world policing and ending the assault on American liberties are non-negotiable for me). Those reasons would be the ONLY reasons I think ANYBODY would choose ANY candidate over Obama. There is practically NO difference between Newt OR Romney OR Obama on ANYTHING. Remember, Romney and Newt were the authors of Obamacare...despite what Romney says NO president has the power to overturn an executive mandate which is what Obamacare is. So the "I'll repeal Obamacare" is just another slogan that neither Romney or ANY other candidate can back up with action. And while governor, Romney APPOINTED liberal NOT conservative lawyers to judicial and justice positions. Can't count on him NOT to do the same as president.
I am NOT upset that Rick won in MN. I expected it. I am pleased as punch that it has been SHOWN AGAIN, that Romney is NOT the "electable" choice all of the mainstream media has been trying to shove down everyone's throats as the ONLY choice.
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that Ron Paul is in 2nd place.
Romney's behind is dragging.
I couldn't be happier.
Santorum was an expected win. Romney's 3rd place, considering how the press has been saying his candidacy is a "done deal" is an embarrassment.
And Ron Paul's 2nd place with over 20% proves what Yahoo News said tonight, that Ron Paul doesn't HAVE to run as a 3rd party candidate to throw this election off. He is too organized, too able to raise money, his supporters to dedicated to his principles and there are now TOO MANY of us.
Great story from Yahoo that should put all of this into perspective:
http://news.yahoo.com/ron-pauls-third-party-bid-even-run-214400732.html
Romney's behind is dragging.
I couldn't be happier.
Santorum was an expected win. Romney's 3rd place, considering how the press has been saying his candidacy is a "done deal" is an embarrassment.
And Ron Paul's 2nd place with over 20% proves what Yahoo News said tonight, that Ron Paul doesn't HAVE to run as a 3rd party candidate to throw this election off. He is too organized, too able to raise money, his supporters to dedicated to his principles and there are now TOO MANY of us.
Great story from Yahoo that should put all of this into perspective:
http://news.yahoo.com/ron-pauls-third-party-bid-even-run-214400732.html
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