“This is a system-wide collapse” - Texas border overwhelmed

[Swordsmyth]

Ask American Indians how uncontrolled immigration worked out for them.

I don't want to end up like the Cherokee.

And we won't get parked on land that turns out to have oil under it.
We probably will just be parked 6 feet under.

 

[Danke]

Are people now so stupid to think "collectivism" or what ever you what to call it, is not neccsarry to protect your property?

OK, stand out as an individual against the mob and try to assert your property rights. Good luck with that. No, as hard as it is for the anarchist here to understand, people form groups. That will manifests itself in what we call governments.

But hey, go ahead and think you are the principled one standing alone against the group of libertarians. That very group that wants to leave you alone. It is tactics versus strategics. Study that.

We are being taxed to support our demise.

One need to belong to a group effort to stop another group that wants to continue and expand that. If you can't see that, well just follow the stupid argument that you are a human rights warrior and no one should be restricted from coming here. Do you lock your doors? Who do rely on when the mob comes to rob you?

Your neighbors?

Well, that is a group standing together, for a common defense. OMG, my HOA says you can't come onto my neighborhood and shit on my lawn. I will have to pay for that. But wait, who am I to say a neighboring community member can't freely travel to my neighborhood and shit on my lawn? Why should I be able to hire a person to prevent that? Why should I be able to build a barrier so they don't come over here and I have to pick up the taps for their expenses?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Are people now so stupid to think "collectivism" or what ever you what to call it, is not neccsarry to protect your property?

OK, stand out as an individual against the mob and try to assert your property rights. Good luck with that. No, as hard as it is for the anarchist here to understand, people form groups. That will manifests itself in what we call governments.

But hey, go ahead and think you are the principled one standing alone against the group of libertarians. That very group that wants to leave you alone. It is tactics versus strategics. Study that.

We are being taxed to support our demise.

One need to belong to a group effort to stop another group that wants to continue and expand that. If you can't see that, well just follow the stupid argument that you are a human rights warrior and no one should be restricted from coming here. Do you lock your doors? Who do rely on when the mob comes to rob you?

Your neighbors?

Well, that is a group standing together, for a common defense. OMG, my HOA says you can come onto my neighborhood and $#@! on my lawn. I will have to pay for that. But wait, who am I to say a neighboring community member can't freely travel to my neighborhood and $#@! on my lawn? Why should I be able to hire a person to prevent that? Why should I be able to build a barrier so they don't come over here and I have to pick up the taps for their expenses?

Anarchists insist that if everyone would be a pure individualist then groups wouldn't be necessary but you will never get the rest of the world to agree to be pure individualists and unorganized individuals will never be able to defend themselves against organized groups.
But the anarchists insist that we should put an end to our groups first anyway, it is just like the pacifists that insist that if everyone would renounce violence and weapons then weapons wouldn't be necessary so you should be the first to give yours up and set an example for the world.

 

[tfurrh]

Ask the Injuns how they worked out.

Everybody's ancestors came from somewhere else all over the world, that doesn't mean we have to allow anyone to come here just because they want to.

My ancestor was a panda

 

[Anti Federalist]

No, was not speaking of you personally- I think your heart is good- AF's as well.

Plenty will disbelieve that. But it's true. I want freedom and liberty. Most people do not. I am trying my damnedest to work in the real to try and achieve that.

To have "allies" then back stab and insult me and my family, does not help.

The 2nd Amendment was about this very thing. The "militia" was LOCAL men, 14 yrs & up, who were to help protect their communities- especially from corrupt gov/laws. We have what we have now because people no longer understand this.

If called, I would go tomorrow and serve my time.

All POTUS has to do is say the word and grant "free pratique" to not get arrested by Bolshevik cops along the way.

And, all the crap said about today's immigrants was also said about the Irish, Germans, Italians, Asians etc.

Yes, and it took strict limits on immigration, signed into law by one of the most libertarian presidents this country has ever had, to get a handle on it, before we blew up into a "Red and White" war like Russia did.

Which we are on the verge of now...literally.

A descending "Iron Curtain" part two, complete with death camps, GULAGS and unpersons.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Immigrants like your ancestors.

Those were settlers; not "eeemigrunts".

 

[Danke]

[FONT=&quot]Obama-era DHS chief Jeh Johnson says US has a ‘crisis’ at the southern border[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said Saturday that America has a “crisis” at the southern border, and that the number of apprehensions exceed anything he encountered during his time serving under former President Barack Obama.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“By anyone's definition, by any measure, right now we have a crisis at our southern border,” he said on “Cavuto LIVE.” “According to the commissioner of [Customs and Border Protection], there were 4,000 apprehensions in one day alone this past week, and we're on pace for 100,000 apprehensions on our southern border this month.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“That is by far a greater number than anything I saw on my watch in my three years as Secretary of Homeland Security,” he said.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Johnson’s remarks come after President Trump this week accused Mexico of doing nothing to stop the illegal immigration flow to the U.S. and threatened to close to southern border next week.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The Obama-era DHS secretary was referring to comments by U.S. CBP Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said the border was at its “breaking point” and that there are not enough agents to respond to the crisis.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Last month, more than 76,000 migrants were detained, marking the highest number of apprehensions in 12 years. That figure includes more than 7,000 unaccompanied children. More than 36,000 migrant families have arrived in the El Paso region in fiscal 2019 with about 2,000 at the same time last year, according to CBP data. The influx has prompted new challenges for Border Patrol agents.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Trump declared a national emergency last month after Congress refused to accede to his demand of more than $5 billion in funding for a wall on the border.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Democrats, and some Republicans, have opposed that declaration -- which frees up an additional $3.6 billion in funding that can be used on a wall. A bill rebuking that move passed both the House and the Senate, but was vetoed by Trump. An effort to override that veto failed on Tuesday in the House.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The State Department meanwhile said Saturday that it is cutting direct aid to El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala for 2017 and 2018. It did not immediately say why.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Johnson said that he believed there was a bipartisan way to resolve the deadlock between the White House and Congress, and there was a chance for some common ground but Trump shouldn’t try to circumvent Congress.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“There are ways to do this, and you make your case to Congress for why there is a crisis and there is a crisis on our southern border right now and you do it through a conventional reprogramming and you get the resources you need to address the crisis,” he said. “There are answers to this problem, and if we can strip away the politics and the emotion, they can be obtained.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Fox News’ Brooke Singman and The Associated Press contributed to this report.[/FONT]

 

[VIDEODROME]

Could this be considered a foreign policy issue?

How much damage has been done by NAFTA? Many Americans dislike our trade agreements thinking it's to easy for companies to move south of the border, but what also happens when U.S. companies setup shop in Mexico?

I think Big-Agra companies has displaced small farmers in Mexico. I doubt the manufacturing is paying Mexicans a decent wage.

Also in the mix are the ways we've pursued the War on Drugs.

I think it would be more fair to consider people coming here as refugees, somewhat ironically seeking opportunity in the country putting so much economic pressure on their homeland.

Some might seem like aggressive 'Invaders' with a nationalistic attitude with little interest in assimilating because they see America as the invader. They're here to plunder in response to their homeland being plundered.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Could this be considered a foreign policy issue?

How much damage has been done by NAFTA? Many Americans dislike our trade agreements thinking it's to easy for companies to move south of the border, but what also happens when U.S. companies setup shop in Mexico?

Quite a bit, actually.

NAFTA was disastrous for middle income and peasant farming in Mexico as it was for us.

Which was the point of course.

 

[Zippyjuan]

[h=3]Yale study finds illegal migrant numbers twice the accepted norm of 11 million[/h]And they are coming in ever larger numbers.

You keep bringing up that study which also says that the number of illegal immigrants has been declining since 2007. The authors said there is no wave of illegal immigrants into the country. The study does not reach the conclusions you want us to believe it does.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You keep bringing up that study which also says that the number of illegal immigrants has been declining since 2007. The authors said there is no wave of illegal immigrants into the country. The study does not reach the conclusions you want us to believe it does.

The study is old and it is lying on the side of claiming there are less coming than there are, they had been lying about how many were here but they had to admit there were more than they claimed, there may be far more than they admitted.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Could this be considered a foreign policy issue?

How much damage has been done by NAFTA? Many Americans dislike our trade agreements thinking it's to easy for companies to move south of the border, but what also happens when U.S. companies setup shop in Mexico?

I think Big-Agra companies has displaced small farmers in Mexico. I doubt the manufacturing is paying Mexicans a decent wage.

Also in the mix are the ways we've pursued the War on Drugs.

I think it would be more fair to consider people coming here as refugees, somewhat ironically seeking opportunity in the country putting so much economic pressure on their homeland.

Some might seem like aggressive 'Invaders' with a nationalistic attitude with little interest in assimilating because they see America as the invader. They're here to plunder in response to their homeland being plundered.

We should stop doing things that make it worse but we don't have to allow them to invade us in the meantime.

 

[DamianTV]

Population Replacement by an incompatible culture that is expected to vote to keep those in power there. Dominoes.

 

[pcosmar]

OK, fair enough...what...exactly...be specific.

intervention

 

[pcosmar]

Certainly. And a border between churches is just a terrible inconvenience. It goes both ways. Send missionaries to foriegn lands, or import refugees that you can convert. Borders and nations get in the way.

How many "Missionaries" work for the CIA?

 

[pcosmar]

History of US Government involvement (intervention) in South America..

Genesis of the term "Banana Republic".

School of the Americas Graduates.

I believe the Term "Blowback" applies as well.

 

[Swordsmyth]

How many "Missionaries" work for the CIA?

Are you saying that other countries should be able to keep them out?

 

[Swordsmyth]

I believe the Term "Blowback" applies as well.

That isn't a magic word that suddenly requires us to let the invasion happen.

 

[pcosmar]

Are you saying that other countries should be able to keep them out?

No,,
I was asking a Serious Question,, for which I know a partial answer.

I was looking for better Numbers,,

 

[Swordsmyth]

No,,
I was asking a Serious Question,, for which I know a partial answer.

I was looking for better Numbers,,

They don't have a right to keep the CIA out?