“This is a system-wide collapse” - Texas border overwhelmed

[Ender]

Ya, I don't see it. I guess my problem is I never believed anything he said. And I haven't seen much to change my mind. He blusters, backs up and sputters. It's true he get's shot down frequently, but who's to blame for that? If a lawyer is continually losing cases is it the courts fault?

LOL- Trump is a brat who loves being in the spotlight and understands perfectly that there ain't no baaaad publicity. His "Art of the Deal" is to let his mouth spew out whatever he thinks will get him what he wants while he surrounds himself with "The Swamp".

 

[Swordsmyth]

That also is what separates the immigrants from the past from the immigrants of today. The immigrants of the past came here to work for a better life. The immigrants today come here to get a life for free.

And the immigrants of the past still contributed to the decline of liberty because too many were allowed to come here.
The immigrants of today are pure poison for liberty.

 

[Ender]

Ron Paul was on the record as saying that the troops should be brought home and used to defend the republic.

He said that so many times I can't count.

He said it to me personally, face to face, at a campaign event in NH.

I supported him, in part, because of that, but that wasn't my primary motivator.

The only reason I am making a "big deal" of it now, is because I perceive an aggressive new front in this demographic war to have opened up.

I'm trying to explain to you why I perceive that, and all you want to do is either quit or dog cuss me.

RP's also on record for saying exactly how to handle immigration sensibly and w/o aggression.

When the border was not protected after 911, I knew full well everything was a gov ruse- and I was a kid.

 

[Dr.3D]

Amen to that! Shooting foreigners at the border is a horrible idea. It would never work!

Land mines would be much better.

Maybe just putting up some signs in Spanish that read, "Land mines!" would be enough.

 

[Anti Federalist]

When the border was not protected after 911, I knew full well everything was a gov ruse- and I was a kid.

Yes, this, very much so.

Again, that is one reason why I supported Ron.

If you (.gov) were really serious, you would have withdrawn from the senseless wars and put the troops on the border.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Screaming for more government to stop a problem caused by the government is NOT the answer.

The answer is simple but it seems waaaaay to hard to change stupid unconstitutional and anti-freedom laws, so the answer of "freedom" advocates is to create more laws and more government.

Go figure.

The problem IS NOT a problem caused by government, it is caused by an abdication of a legitimate government function.
The problem is made worse by other government actions and we oppose those but it must also be solved by making the government do its job that it has refused to do.

 

[Swordsmyth]

RP's also on record for saying exactly how to handle immigration sensibly and w/o aggression.

And it included putting the troops on the border.

And shooting invaders is defensive, IT IS NOT AGGRESSION.

 

[Anti Federalist]

RP's also on record for saying exactly how to handle immigration sensibly and w/o aggression.

This is not "immigration".

It is Fifth Generation demographic warfare.

 

[PursuePeace]

Has to start with Self.

Learning REAL history & what REAL liberty entails. Question everything.

Then, teaching others, standing for what is right, not spreading hate. The peaceful way is to do this on-going and build a local population of true freedom lovers. If everyone on this forum did this continually & spread the concept of freedom in their local communities, the results would soon flood DC & could be amazing.

Ender, That is the IDEALISTIC view. It's nice, yes, lovely. But it is in no way practical in this situation. This is reality. Not fantasy. We're dealing with real human beings with real biases and prejudices and entitlements, distrust, envy, and ignorance. A "new way of seeing things" is NOT what people are looking for, here, and I think you know that. Why not affect change in the country you were born in, instead of seeking out another country?

As far as educating people, etc.. I think we pretty much all do that as much as we possibly can wherever we go and with whomever we meet. But you also don't throw other solutions out of the window because they have to do with governmental solutions. We're still operating under a government and we need to work within it at the moment.

Maybe I'm jaded and not as idealistic as I once was. Perhaps because being too idealistic can become a hindrance to progress.

Also, what is "spreading hate"? Can you clarify? Not sure if you were speaking to something specific I said or proposed or what. I hate vagueness when it comes to people saying things like "spreading hate".

 

[Anti Federalist]

Ender, That is the IDEALISTIC view. It's nice, yes, lovely. But it is in no way practical in this situation. This is reality. Not fantasy. We're dealing with real human beings with real biases and prejudices and entitlements, distrust, envy, and ignorance. A "new way of seeing things" is NOT what people are looking for, here, and I think you know that. Why not affect change in the country you were born in, instead of seeking out another country?

As far as educating people, etc.. I think we pretty much all do that as much as we possibly can wherever we go and with whomever we meet. But you also don't throw other solutions out of the window because they have to do with governmental solutions. We're still operating under a government and we need to work within it at the moment.

Maybe I'm jaded and not as idealistic as I once was. Perhaps because being too idealistic can become a hindrance to progress.

Also, what is "spreading hate"? Can you clarify? Not sure if you were speaking to something specific I said or proposed or what. I hate vagueness when it comes to people saying things like "spreading hate".

Yes, that, exactly.

 

[kona]

And it included putting the troops on the border.

And shooting invaders is defensive, IT IS NOT AGGRESSION.

It also includes a wall.

 

[Danke]

Amen to that! Shooting foreigners at the border is a horrible idea. It would never work!

Land mines would be much better.

[h=1]Claymore mines facing south would be better.[/h]

 

[Zippyjuan]

And the immigrants of the past still contributed to the decline of liberty because too many were allowed to come here.
The immigrants of today are pure poison for liberty.

Immigrants like your ancestors.

 

[Zippyjuan]

And it included putting the troops on the border.

And shooting invaders is defensive, IT IS NOT AGGRESSION.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la...-paul-nevada-latino-forum-20120201-story.html

Paul said he's not one of those politicians who believes that "barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems." That's not, he said, the American way. And he doesn't think that a national identification card is the way to go.

What the country does need, he said, is "a much better immigration service" fed by more resources.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Immigrants like your ancestors.

Ask the Injuns how they worked out.

Everybody's ancestors came from somewhere else all over the world, that doesn't mean we have to allow anyone to come here just because they want to.

 

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la...-paul-nevada-latino-forum-20120201-story.html

I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently. - Ron Paul on "Meet the Press" 23 Dec 2007

That time is NOW.

 

[Ender]

Ender, That is the IDEALISTIC view. It's nice, yes, lovely. But it is in no way practical in this situation. This is reality. Not fantasy. We're dealing with real human beings with real biases and prejudices and entitlements, distrust, envy, and ignorance. A "new way of seeing things" is NOT what people are looking for, here, and I think you know that. Why not affect change in the country you were born in, instead of seeking out another country?

As far as educating people, etc.. I think we pretty much all do that as much as we possibly can wherever we go and with whomever we meet. But you also don't throw other solutions out of the window because they have to do with governmental solutions. We're still operating under a government and we need to work within it at the moment.

Maybe I'm jaded and not as idealistic as I once was. Perhaps because being too idealistic can become a hindrance to progress.

Also, what is "spreading hate"? Can you clarify? Not sure if you were speaking to something specific I said or proposed or what. I hate vagueness when it comes to people saying things like "spreading hate".

No, was not speaking of you personally- I think your heart is good- AF's as well.

The problem we are facing is not, IMHPOV, immigration- that is actually receding- the problem is the hate & discontent that certain factions are spreading to get everyone fighting each other & not paying attention to what's really going down.

Begging for more gov to solve gov problems is definitely living in the Matrix. It is NOT being idealistic to teach liberty at the local level- it is being practical. It is NOT the immigrants who take your stuff- it is .gov. If we continue to say we can't change the gov so we have to have more gov, then all we are doing is building the Berlin Wall to protect our "freedom" which is basically non-existent.

The 2nd Amendment was about this very thing. The "militia" was LOCAL men, 14 yrs & up, who were to help protect their communities- especially from corrupt gov/laws. We have what we have now because people no longer understand this.

And, all the carpe said about todays immigrants was also said about the Irish, Germans, Italians, Asians etc.

Some haters seem to be specifically on this forum to keep the pot stirred- and no, YOU are not one of these.

 

[timosman]

No, was not speaking of you personally- I think your heart is good- AF's as well.

The problem we are facing is not, IMHPOV, immigration- that is actually receding- the problem is the hate & discontent that certain factions are spreading to get everyone fighting each other & not paying attention to what's really going down.

Begging for more gov to solve gov problems is definitely living in the Matrix. It is NOT being idealistic to teach liberty at the local level- it is being practical. It is NOT the immigrants who take your stuff- it is .gov. If we continue to say we can't change the gov so we have to have more gov, then all we are doing is building the Berlin Wall to protect our "freedom" which is basically non-existent.

The 2nd Amendment was about this very thing. The "militia" was LOCAL men, 14 yrs & up, who were to help protect their communities- especially from corrupt gov/laws. We have what we have now because people no longer understand this.

And, all the carpe said about todays immigrants was also said about the Irish, Germans, Italians, Asians etc.

Some haters seem to be specifically on this forum to keep the pot stirred- and no, YOU are not one of these.

Ender is only called upon when shit gets serious. He usually uses scenes from The Matrix to make his point and calls for more open borders.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No, was not speaking of you personally- I think your heart is good- AF's as well.

The problem we are facing is not, IMHPOV, immigration- that is actually receding- the problem is the hate & discontent that certain factions are spreading to get everyone fighting each other & not paying attention to what's really going down.

Begging for more gov to solve gov problems is definitely living in the Matrix. It is NOT being idealistic to teach liberty at the local level- it is being practical. It is NOT the immigrants who take your stuff- it is .gov. If we continue to say we can't change the gov so we have to have more gov, then all we are doing is building the Berlin Wall to protect our "freedom" which is basically non-existent.

The 2nd Amendment was about this very thing. The "militia" was LOCAL men, 14 yrs & up, who were to help protect their communities- especially from corrupt gov/laws. We have what we have now because people no longer understand this.

And, all the carpe said about todays immigrants was also said about the Irish, Germans, Italians, Asians etc.

Some haters seem to be specifically on this forum to keep the pot stirred- and no, YOU are not one of these.

The threat from the invasion is growing, it is not receding and the immigrants vote to grow the government, the current flood is worse than the Irish, Germans, Italians, Asians etc. who came in past waves but even they were responsible for the decline of liberty in America.

Securing the border isn't growing government, government is already charged with that duty and we won't be able to reduce government at all as long as an unlimited number of people who want bigger government are allowed to come here.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ender is only called upon when $#@! gets serious. He usually uses scenes from The Matrix to make his point and calls for more open borders.

I notice he had nothing to say about the insults hurled at AF (his supposed friend), Ender only uses the civility argument against people who are to his right, leftists and anarchists get a free pass no matter how nasty they get.