“This is a system-wide collapse” - Texas border overwhelmed

[Ender]

Do you have a lot of illegal immigration where you live?
I do. And I've sat in courtrooms where all of the illegals were set free/no fines, and the actual citizens of the country had to pay fines.

Do not think for one minute that this sort of thing is NOT on purpose. It certainly sows dischord between people, wouldn't you think?

They WANT to keep people divided and fighting. One way for them to do this is by allowing illegal immigration to increase unhindered. To allow them MORE benefits than Citizens, some of the time.

I've also watched as whole towns went from very nice places to live to completely overrun with illegals/MS-13/crime.

If we didn't have countries, if we weren't taxed, if illegals were NOT getting anything for free, if they were punished for their crimes, perhaps, PERHAPS things would be a little different.

I can certainly understand the aggravation some people have here with the problems of illegal immigration, because it is a system that is meant to sow dischord among people and chip away more and more at "WE THE PEOPLE". When we're divided and have all of these reasons piling up to fight each other, we FORGET to fight the real enemy: Our stinking out of control cesspool of a government.

It's a MAJOR problem. This isn't an ideal world. We have to work within the parameters we currently have. Just like Rand Paul having to work WITHIN the Republican Party.

I have no other country. People who come here DO have another country. This is my only home.
If you want to come here, then you come here the proper way, you don't sneak in the back door and then demand handouts and schooling and medical care and a slap on the wrist when you commit crimes that hurt other people.
Are there PLENTY of truly wonderful, hardworking people who want to come here? YES. But that is besides the point.
Come in the proper way.
This isn't anarchy.
Right now, we DO have countries.
We are not kumbaya, ALL IS ONE.
This is still Planet Hell (Earth) at the moment.

Screaming for more government to stop a problem caused by the government is NOT the answer.

The answer is simple but it seems waaaaay to hard to change stupid unconstitutional and anti-freedom laws, so the answer of "freedom" advocates is to create more laws and more government.

Go figure.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

If people wanna come to this country, they're on their own. It's bull$#@! we're forced through taxation not only to pay for their living expenses, but also to help pay for the college education of their kids so they can take the good jobs, too.

100% agreed.

^^^these^^^

Now eliminate the welfare state and the left.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's so frustrating to see people whom I've forever believed were moored in good principle end up so easily swayed by such obvious propaganda.

What principles have I abandoned? Unlike some, who receive much less vitriol, I am not here advocating for universal health care, or increased taxation, or a "green new deal" or excusing gun control as 43rd Dimension chess or defending cops.

I am still in favor of limited government, property rights, individual liberty, non-interventionism, the Bill of Rights, unrestricted rights to self defense, association, speech, rights of the accused and so on.

But in the past couple of years, I have open warfare declared on me and my posterity. One of the weapons in this war is forced displacement by importation of millions of migrants.

Whatever. You can have this place. Swordsmyth, his post-per-quarter-waking-hour rate, and his ilk have buried it. Rand has buried it. You have buried it.

Do you want an echo chamber or discussion and debate?

You guys apparently didn't understand that our movement lived and breathed on PRINCIPLE. Without it, this is just a GOP recruiting website.

Other than some mild praise of Trump on a few limited occasions, where I have waved the GOP Uber Alles flag?

The fact is that locally the GOP is better option, and there is no questioning that.

I am seeing it play out in my home state right before my eyes.

Everything you somehow think I am now in favor of, I am vigorously opposing locally, and all because democrat Bolsheviks swept into power.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why didn't they make it worse when Obama was president then if it would have been worse yet without him? The logic doesn't add up.

They are desperate to get the frog boiled because it is starting to hop out of the pot, they thought they were proceeding slowly enough that we wouldn't wake up but Trump winning showed them that people were starting to wake up.

Now they want to try to invade us fast enough that we can't do anything about it even if we wake up and they want to make Trump look bad so people like you will blame him even though he is beginning to solve the problem.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You're barking up the wrong tree. But I'm not the one who's going to show you that.

You've broken my heart, RPF. My hope is gone.

If speaking my mind here is so insignificant of an action, so meaningless in the great grand warp and woof of life, then why are you getting so foaming at the mouth upset about it?

 

[PursuePeace]

Screaming for more government to stop a problem caused by the government is NOT the answer.

The answer is simple but it seems waaaaay to hard to change stupid unconstitutional and anti-freedom laws, so the answer of "freedom" advocates is to create more laws and more government.

Go figure.

It needs to be fixed.
How else do you propose fixing it WITHOUT Government?
I mean, I'm all ears, here. (sincerely.)

 

[Swordsmyth]

(noting that asylum seekers are behaving legally- not illegally)

LOL

It's still illegal to cross the border and even if you were right that would just mean that the invasion is being facilitated by traitors who corrupted our laws.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Bull$#@!.

Opinions are great. Everyone has them.

Here, we have principles. Or at least we used to.

We do have principles and securing the border and preserving liberty against communist invaders have ALWAYS been part of them.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

We do have principles and securing the border and preserving liberty against communist invaders have ALWAYS been part of them.

Shooting foreigners is the exact opposite of what THIS MOVEMENT has ALWAYS been about.

But you're not here for this movement. You're here to overthrow it.

 

[TheTexan]

Shooting foreigners is the exact opposite of what THIS MOVEMENT has ALWAYS been about.

Amen to that! Shooting foreigners at the border is a horrible idea. It would never work!

Land mines would be much better.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Do you want an echo chamber or discussion and debate?'

Honest debate is one thing. Misrepresenting what we here (used) to stand for is something else altogether.

Whatever. Your view is seemingly in the majority here now. Have it. Own it. Best of luck.

 

[TheTexan]

But in the past couple of years, I have open warfare declared on me and my posterity.

With this open warfare against us, we gotta be careful at the polls in 2020. The voting is gonna get heated. There might even be casualties.

It's never too early to start stocking up on supplies. Stickers and so on.

 

[Origanalist]

They are desperate to get the frog boiled because it is starting to hop out of the pot, they thought they were proceeding slowly enough that we wouldn't wake up but Trump winning showed them that people were starting to wake up.

Now they want to try to invade us fast enough that we can't do anything about it even if we wake up and they want to make Trump look bad so people like you will blame him even though he is beginning to solve the problem.

Ya, I don't see it. I guess my problem is I never believed anything he said. And I haven't seen much to change my mind. He blusters, backs up and sputters. It's true he get's shot down frequently, but who's to blame for that? If a lawyer is continually losing cases is it the courts fault?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Shooting foreigners is the exact opposite of what THIS MOVEMENT has ALWAYS been about.

Tell the to the Minute Men who shot foreigners at Concorde Bridge or the Militiamen who shot foreigners with Andrew Jackson at New Orleans.
Protecting American independence and liberty IS EXACTLY what this movement HAS ALWAYS been about.

But you're not here for this movement. You're here to overthrow it.

That is what you anarchists are trying to do whether you realize it or not.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Honest debate is one thing. Misrepresenting what we here (used) to stand for is something else altogether.

You are the one doing that, Ron ran on border security.

Whatever. Your view is seemingly in the majority here now. Have it. Own it. Best of luck.

We always were the majority in the movement, you anarchists were just more vocal for a while.

 

[Swordsmyth]

^^^these^^^

Now eliminate the welfare state and the left.

Which we must stop the invasion in order to do.

 

[Origanalist]

Amen to that! Shooting foreigners at the border is a horrible idea. It would never work!

Land mines would be much better.

 

[Ender]

It needs to be fixed.
How else do you propose fixing it WITHOUT Government?
I mean, I'm all ears, here. (sincerely.)

Has to start with Self.

Learning REAL history & what REAL liberty entails. Question everything.

Then, teaching others, standing for what is right, not spreading hate. The peaceful way is to do this on-going and build a local population of true freedom lovers. If everyone on this forum did this continually & spread the concept of freedom in their local communities, the results would soon flood DC & could be amazing.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Has to start with Self.

Learning REAL history & what REAL liberty entails. Question everything.

Then, teaching others, standing for what is right, not spreading hate. The peaceful way is to do this on-going and build a local population of true freedom lovers. If everyone on this forum did this continually & spread the concept of freedom in their local communities, the results would soon flood DC & could be amazing.

You will never build a local population of true freedom lovers if unlimited numbers of freedom haters are allowed to invade faster than you can educate them. (many of them will never listen)

 

[Anti Federalist]

Honest debate is one thing. Misrepresenting what we here (used) to stand for is something else altogether.

Whatever. Your view is seemingly in the majority here now. Have it. Own it. Best of luck.

Ron Paul was on the record as saying that the troops should be brought home and used to defend the republic.

He said that so many times I can't count.

He said it to me personally, face to face, at a campaign event in NH.

I supported him, in part, because of that, but that wasn't my primary motivator.

The only reason I am making a "big deal" of it now, is because I perceive an aggressive new front in this demographic war to have opened up.

I'm trying to explain to you why I perceive that, and all you want to do is either rage-quit or dog cuss me.