Think about a Ron Paul defeat

[MN Patriot]

Ok, Lucid, do you think RP is a person? I don't. Guliani, McCain and Fraud Thompson are persons. RP is a movement. You know how we keep quoting Ghandi? Well he also said that we must become the change we want to see in the world.

RP is but one individual. His strength is not in his money, or connections, damn sure not in his campaign. His strength is us. The mere fact that we are so many and we made RP so campaign money rich is a win already, even if he never sits behind that Resolute Desk.

We should think big, but sometimes we think too big. Are you overweight? Are you in debt? Are you in an abusive relatinoship? Are you achieveing your life goals, whatever they are? No? Then what chance does President Ron Paul stand turning hir rhetoric into tangible results if we don't know what to do with our freedom?

Are you active locally? Who is your governor? What about a judge? What about a railroad commissioner? What is the current issue that your local city hall is fighting over?

These are the questions everybody has to ask. We have to start from the very base. Did you know that Libertarians got the vacant posts in some municipalities merely because they bothered to apply for them? Do you understand we are giving too much credit to Ron Paul alone and too much credit to Hillary Clinton alone? These people can't enact whatever they want to enact with us getting up off our asses and protesting, throwing out those supporting those enactments and electing those promising to over rule those.

Seriously, stop with all this military takeover drama. The government is still tripartite. The courts can still overrule the Congress. The President can still veto the bill he otherwise wouldn't if he sees too much tension in the masses. Start small. Look in the mirror and see if you have any problems. Change your attitude. Work hard. Make money work for you, not the other way around. Change your diet and lose that extra pound.

Even if the worst of the worst, Hillary gets elected and sits in the WhiteHouse for 8 years straight, we can still make our communities better. Find out how. And, most importantly, vote locally.

If (or more likely, when) Ron doesn't get the nomination, I have a bad feeling that this whole revolution of freedom will fizzle out. There are too many polyannas who think people will wake up overnight and elect Ron. When he doesn't get the nomination, people will start complaining and quitting. Look at the blimp project, too many naysayers and complainers, even though the blimp is in the air as I type this.

This needs to be a long term commitment for those of us who value our freedom. I am hoping Ron decides to join the Libertarian Party after he doesn't get the nomination, and thousands of us join, too. The LP needs to be reformed into a credible political party, with competent leaders and competent, active members. Then if hundreds of us run for Congress (I did 10 years ago for the LP), the Libertarian Party can seriously get some recognition for the principles it supports.

One person can't change everything overnight. Millions of us can.

And everyone who says they will leave the country if Hillary gets elected are full of crap. They won't leave, I guarantee it.

 

[nateerb]

Well said Akus. This is my first post, I just found RP on Sunday.

This is both exciting and frustrating. It's exciting to see so many others on board for change, although I fear most in this movement are content sitting behind their monitors pressing Pay Now or making YouTube vids. This country has had it's "clean up governement" movements (Perot obviously comes to mind) in it's recent past... they all have fizzled. The hope is that with the Internet we can develop fast personal relationships with each other, stay in contact, and get it done this time.

I am going to my first meetup tonight here in Milwaukee. What I have learned about RP Grassroots in Wisconsin hasen't impressed me so far - fractured groups, no replies to emails, etc. The official campaign dosen't appear to have operations here. Here is a state that turned out for Ed Thompson, a Libertarian supper-club restaurant owner (ableit a brother of a popular gov) and our campainging for RP is weak at best.

To me, there needs to be more organization in the grassroots efforts. Meetup and YouTube viral vids are great, but the disorganization of this is going to turn people off and we cannot afford that. Perhaps I am off-base, I intend to find out more tonight.

 

[MN Patriot]

If we don't win this election, then the grassroots becomes even more important. "Ron Paul Republicans" must start winning local, state and eventually, national elections. The final numbers of this election will show either how close, or how far, we are from winning the minds of Americans.

Win or lose, this election will reveal where we stand. And that's important for developing a strategy for change.

I don't think the Republican Party has any room for those of us who value freedom. It is overrun with neo-con/liberal Republicans.

Time to seriously think about a new political party, like the Libertarian Party, that defends freedom. Then the neo-cons can join up with the Democrats and let the Republican Party fade away.

That way there is a clear line of who stands for what: freedom and limited government on one side, socialism and big government on the other side.

 

[trispear]

The direction we are going in as a nation = we will be in a rude awakening in 20 to 30 years. The Roman Empire was great and yet it fell.

America won't fall from any military threat. It will fall under the weight of great debt and a currency gone worthless. I believe the baby boomers and their social security/medicare payments will trigger this crisis.

What about the Social Security the Government has collected already? Did it sock it away? No. Congress Critters (with the exception of Ron Paul) have raided it for frivolous pursuits and put I.O.U.s in its place.

If Ron Paul does not get elected, I'm seriously contemplating Canada. I love America, but I think there will be chaos in this country during my children's lifetime. And the time to avoid the situation is shrinking.

 

[RoyalShock]

I don't think the Republican Party has any room for those of us who value freedom. It is overrun with neo-con/liberal Republicans.

Time to seriously think about a new political party, like the Libertarian Party, that defends freedom. Then the neo-cons can join up with the Democrats and let the Republican Party fade away.

That way there is a clear line of who stands for what: freedom and limited government on one side, socialism and big government on the other side.

My feeling all along has been that the movement is riding the coattails of the Republican Party to avoid the "fringe" stigma. If RP wins the nomination or finishes well, then there is hope to re-invent the GOP and take it back from the neo-cons. If RP's final numbers are low, then the GOP is lost and a new party must be the result.

I don't think it will be the Libertarian Party. It has been around awhile and in the mainstream just enough that too many Americans don't (or won't) take it seriously. I see the Constitution Party as having greater upside.

So I don't see a RP loss stamping out the movement. But it could mean that the GOP is a lost cause.

 

[noiseordinance]

I often find myself overwhelmed with urgency. My girlfriend commonly says "I don't want to watch another damn Ron Paul video!" She sees me as a fanatic who has gone overboard. I have a friend that shares her love for Ron Paul, but also views me as a fanatic. I ask him if I'm off base and he says "It's not like it'll be the end of the world if Ron Paul isn't elected. Life will go on." The problem though, to me, is that I fear that our internet freedom may be taken away over the next four years. Without the internet, none of this campaign would be possible. Sometimes I DO feel like this is our last chance at freedom. Part of me thinks, "Well, if Ron Paul isn't elected, maybe in four years there will be another candidate that Ron Paul endorses, yet it'll never be as successful without internet freedom."

 

[cchapman84]

Let me put it this way, the top two websites I'm currently visiting are this one, and the Canadian multiple listings service (real estate) site! I realize that Canada isn't exactly libertarian, but Nova Scotians do tend to mind their own business, and there definitely isn't the invasion of privacy that we have in this country (my office phone is being tapped because there's a lawyer in my building who is representing someone at Guantanamo, and also possibly because of the political views/activism of a former colleague, and I'm pretty sure my home phone is also being periodically monitored).

I'm definitely very concerned that if Dr. Paul doesn't win, this country is heading to a place that will be hard to come back from. That's also why I'm a supporter of the Vermont secession movement. If Ron Paul isn't elected, I'm going to step up my efforts there also. If he is elected, then I really don't see the point in seceeding, as long as he can do a lot of the things he says he's going to (and when I say "can", I really mean if he can get Congress, etc. to do what he wants - I wholeheartedly believe that he's going to try to do everything he says he wants to do).

 

[ronpaulitician]

An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.

 

[BarryDonegan]

remember, we're not operating off the manual. this is a misunderstanding about our republican system.

the founding fathers EXPECTED us to have a VIOLENT revolution every century or so.

""The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

 

[Matt Collins]

I'm saying now that if Giuliani becomes our next president I will leave the country.

Rudy has no chance of winning the primaries (can't carry the South). Unfortunately though he might could win if the convention was brokered. It would most likely be him and Huckabee on a team.

 

[Just Come Home]

Think about a Ron Paul defeat

Not only No, but hell no. I'm not going to waste a second of my time doing that!

 

[robert4rp08]

Anyone else believe that if Paul doesn't win, we're in for it?

Yes. However, I think the movement is more powerful than a Ron Paul presidency. We might be in for it, but at least the seeds of liberty and freedom have been planted. The movement shall continue forward no matter what the results may be.

 

[garyallen59]

Inittowinit

 

[Matt Collins]

if ANYONE but Ron wins I am leaving. I already have made my plans and will be prepared to move everything out of country December 2008.

Where to?

Add me to the list.

Where to?




Sorry guys, as bad as it is here, it's MUCH worse elsewhere.

Three words:

Free State Project

Exactly. If you are pissed off enough to move, at least move somewhere where you can make a difference such as into the FSP.

Description:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_state_project

Official site:
http://www.freestateproject.org/

 

[pacelli]

Anyone else believe that if Paul doesn't win, we're in for it?

Well, if you look at any other candidate in either party that have any chance of getting (s)elected, they are essentially committed to eroding our civil liberties, bankrupting the dollar in order to transition to a new currency, and continuing our assault on the world.

This is a dire situation. All empires fall because they spread themselves too thin, and we're already on the downward spiral.

If Dr. Paul does not get elected, as a community we will continue to organize against the issues and resist the tyranny. We have an incredible power to harness resources to protest harmful laws. Imagine a sign bomb against a war with iran.

Ron Paul is the person that struck the match to ignite our passion for liberty and this country. He cured our apathy. Our motivation should not falter once this election is over. Even if Dr. Paul is elected, we will still need to get Ron Paul supporters into the house and senate to take this country back.

This is the beginning of a long fight, which will live far beyond Dr. Paul's existence.

 

[Elwar]

My wife asks me all the time about bad things that might happen...

"Do you think XXX(ie. national ID, attack on Iran, dollar collapse) will happen?"

My answer tends to be...If Ron Paul doesn't win...

I don't say this just to support Ron Paul...she's tired of hearing that answer and I truly think out all of the different scenarios first. It tends to come down to...a neo-con vs Hillary in the general election if Ron Paul doesn't win.

And of course, the neo-cons will not win. Considering 70% of America wants us out of Iraq...plus liberty minded folks will be writing in Ron Paul.

So any consideration for the future is a scenario of...Hillary Clinton or Ron Paul...

That's why I always answer with..."if Ron Paul doesn't win".

 

[raiha]

Sorry Matt, if you guys don't pull it off, the world is not going to be a pretty place. Big Business already has the world by the short and curlies. Bring on the microchipping, the Gestapo, fill up those concentration camps (waste of money to have them empty after all) conquer the world, nuke the moslems...what else..establish a theocracy, lock up the homosexuals, interrogate (in an enhanced way) the intelligensia. Oh yeah hand out more tents for middle America in California. What a sorry, sorry mess it all is.

Still Joseph de Maistre said: "Every country gets the government it deserves."

 

[thuja]

I would not consider leaving for two reasons. First I could not afford to, I am invested in my land, and could not sell it for enough to make a move.
Second, there is no place to go. As the globalists take over, and every place on this planet will be under there control.
I will join the resistance, Hell, I am the resistance.

stay here with your land where you know the lay of the land.

 

[nate895]

Of course I'm incredibly worried about a possibility of an RP loss, and so should everyone else be. I'm saying now that if Giuliani becomes our next president I will leave the country. I'm dead serious. We cannot afford to have another jackass for president. Our liberty and perhaps our lives are at stake here. What just happened in Pakistan scares me to death.

I wouldn't leave the country by moving, I would start a secession movement. I think this the best recourse for us should we fail.

 

[scooter]

If you would leave the country upon a Ron Paul loss, then you're not really the kind of people I want alongside me supporting Paul for president. You need to realize that the whole world has been crippled by the bankers and big government supporters and the USA is just the biggest country in the middle of it.

However, the USA is the only place that has the people and the Constitution in place that will allow us to attempt change. If all of you leave here and go somewhere else (which is probably worse), then you are not giving up on the USA, you are giving up on freedom.