They're not really tanks....From Drudge

Pericles said:
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Armor guys well know to stay within the parameters of vehicle capabilities.





Panzerfaust
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Yep. Their pretty crappy field vehicles. Probably going to be used for urban herding.
 
Todd said:
Probably going to be used for urban herding.
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Lucky for us NYers bloomberg is too cheap to fix the roads beyond Manhattan. Can't believe the tires are still on my car with all the pot holes I endure on a daily basis.
 
I wonder what it would take to crack the rear differential housing on one of those? If they are mine resistant it seems like it might be pretty tough. If they are like all vehicles I have ever worked on, the rear diff cover is generally thin stamped steel.
 
shane77m said:
I would recommend oil based paint. It is harder to get off than water based. Perhaps even an epoxy based paint would be good. I have never messed with it though. Need a good long distance delivery system. Some type of potato gun?
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Hell I bet you coudl do better with great stuff if there was a way to deploy it. I got some of the shit on my door handle 5 years ago and its still there. The finish is wearing out from using the door so much but not where the great stuff is.
 
shane77m said:
Where are the weak spots?
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lotta great ideas in this thread! I would add:
cement truck or semi going fast...
it has blind spots at the back
it only has ONE door! - mig, oxy or thermite? Fast epoxy might do too perhaps followed by a Dorner...
the gun ports - bullets or gas
the hatch on top and anyone stupid enough to stick their head out of it.
the roof is going to be thinner...
materials set off to be sucked into the engine - thick burning fuel oil (smoke), heated fuel vapor like gasoline or nitromethane... not burning (yet)
thermite grenade on the hood
EMP
tank traps
fell some trees ahead and behind it, then keep them pinned down
and as with the Bearcat, given hook points - doing a gullivers travel with grappling hooks and metal cable...

I got the impression these were surplus, meaning they have major flaws, like not being that mine resistant, the single doot, the blind spots... or the old boy network enriched another military contractor, yet again. Bet there is something on this things problems in the center for lessons learned.

seraphson said:
Here's the Trillion dollar question. Why do we need, on American soil, MINE RESISTANT armored vehicles? What? Is the husband of a little old lady they're going to bust for having expired medicine she forgot about from a surgery a couple years ago going to line the block with IEDs?
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Not the little old lady - well, I guess here too - remember no hesitation targets... better questions are why does DHS need Billions of rounds of ammo, enough to fight a war for 27 hears? Why have they been buying up store-able food like Mountain House and MRE's to the extent that they are exhausting supplies in this country for several years? Why do they need 17,000 AR-15's? Why do they need a national spy network? Why do

Short answer: There is only one conceivable enemy worthy of that kind of response - the US population. When they start treating the US like Iraq and Afghanistan, you will find IED's in the roads.

-t
 
tangent4ronpaul said:
lotta great ideas in this thread! I would add:
cement truck or semi going fast...
it has blind spots at the back
it only has ONE door! - mig, oxy or thermite? Fast epoxy might do too perhaps followed by a Dorner...
the gun ports - bullets or gas
the hatch on top and anyone stupid enough to stick their head out of it.
the roof is going to be thinner...
materials set off to be sucked into the engine - thick burning fuel oil (smoke), heated fuel vapor like gasoline or nitromethane... not burning (yet)
thermite grenade on the hood
EMP
tank traps
fell some trees ahead and behind it, then keep them pinned down
and as with the Bearcat, given hook points - doing a gullivers travel with grappling hooks and metal cable...

I got the impression these were surplus, meaning they have major flaws, like not being that mine resistant, the single doot, the blind spots... or the old boy network enriched another military contractor, yet again. Bet there is something on this things problems in the center for lessons learned.



Not the little old lady - well, I guess here too - remember no hesitation targets... better questions are why does DHS need Billions of rounds of ammo, enough to fight a war for 27 hears? Why have they been buying up store-able food like Mountain House and MRE's to the extent that they are exhausting supplies in this country for several years? Why do they need 17,000 AR-15's? Why do they need a national spy network? Why do

Short answer: There is only one conceivable enemy worthy of that kind of response - the US population. When they start treating the US like Iraq and Afghanistan, you will find IED's in the roads.

-t
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They are getting ready for that.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?406253-White-House-statement-on-countering-IED-s
 
shane77m said:
Where are the weak spots?
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Ladybug, ladybug fly away home,
Your house is on fire and your children are gone,
All except one, And her name is Ann,
And she hid under the baking pan.

That weak spot sorta depends on how interesting this all gets and how/when some safely tucked away higher-up escalates it all.

The New Orleans police desertion during Katrina was a beautiful thing IMO.
 
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And some people have the nerve to say that this is not a parallel to pre war Germany or pre collapse USSR.

War on Us.
 
Icymudpuppy said:
Those are anti-RPG cages. Designed to catch a soviet style rocket propelled grenade in the slats so that it's detonator cannot go off.
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Not to nitpick but the detonator still would go off. The cage is to offset the Munroe effect. It explodes the rocket 8 or so inches away so that the melted copper [conical liner] cools enough as to not penetrate the armor.

Have you ever seen or heard about a rocket getting stuck in the cage and not detonating? To me it just sounds like a one in a million chance. I honestly don't know though.
 
Lucille said:
The DHS's Latest Toy: "We have Gunports so We can Actually Shoot from Within the Vehicle"
http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/04/the-dhss-latest-toy-we-have-gunports-so

How fun for you guys.
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if there's an issue...we can shelter in place....10 or 11 operators in here, very tight but we can do it....
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10 or 11 agents all in the same tin can?
I often forget how stupid these people are.

If things go South, it really is all up to what the military does, isn't it......
 
fisharmor said:
10 or 11 agents all in the same tin can?
I often forget how stupid these people are.

If things go South, it really is all up to what the military does, isn't it......
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I'm hoping, as in past struggles, as the regime dies and can't pay them, they, mostly, go home or wander off.
 
jbauer said:
Hell I bet you coudl do better with great stuff if there was a way to deploy it. I got some of the shit on my door handle 5 years ago and its still there. The finish is wearing out from using the door so much but not where the great stuff is.
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Hmmmm..... Great Stuff canon...
 
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