They're not really tanks....From Drudge

I'm hoping, as in past struggles, as the regime dies and can't pay them, they, mostly, go home or wander off.
I'm hopeful that they took their oath seriously. Oathkeepers is a great cause. I would like to believe that they simply won't participate. History shows the likely probability that they will.

Not to mention a lot are already desensitized to violating peoples' rights and simply follow the leader. I don't know, it may be foolish of me, but I have a strong inclination to believe that it can't happen here, and that our soldiers and police officers would not find themselves on the wrong side. I'm sure many people in Germany thought the same thing, though.
 
Do you remember that guy in NH? that was in Oathkeepers?

The one that got labeled as a domestic terrorist because he belonged to the organization and got his kids 'napped by CPS because of it?

Remember that MIAC report that stated that people that believe in the Constitution (and RP supporters) are potential terrorists.

Remember that youTube of the DHS trainer stating that the founding fathers were the original terrorists in this country?

Remember that soldiers returning from the sandbox are being stripped of their 2A rights?

Remember the bill to impose mandatory national service on a co-ed basis for everyone between 18 and 25 as well as Oh-bomb-us saying we need a domestic security force equal to the US Military? Now why would we need that?

Remember Oh-Bomb-us's inoguration where he made sure the Marines didn't have any ammo in their guns?

Hmmm....

This is going to be a 3 pipe problem, eh Watson?

-t
 
Assholes better hope their fuel trucks have as much armor.

Tick tock...it's coming.

Bang or whimper...what's it gonna be, boy?
 
Tangent, please do not remind me of history. :) Hope is a good thing. I find hope that a lot of the country is waking up and that we the people are the majority. I educate someone new almost daily. [and I hope they in turn, do the same] An economic collapse and/or slipping into a totalitarian state [I believe the economic collapse is what is going to do it] is not something anyone would want to live through. Even if you are prepared, you and your family will suffer. I hope that the brakes are put on this train before it crashes. [however unlikely that may be]
 
OK, so they bought 300 LENCO Bearcats and now 2,700 (well, 2,717) of this new tank... that's a bit over 60 tanks/APC's PER STATE!

For serving "high risk warrants", like on the ppl pictured in the No Hesitation Targets?

I think this has a lot to do with gun control/confiscation. But yes, economic collapse and food shortages too.

Amazing how the gvmt created these situations and now this is their solution. :rolleyes:

Seems like the first buy was to see if they could get away with it, and the second...

btw: I thought they bought more like 2.7 - 4 Billion rounds? The various .40 then the .357 and 9mm, then the .223 and .308, etc.

-t
 
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This gets worse...

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=71

Local police departments make up more than two-thirds of the 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the United States. A local police department is a general purpose law enforcement agency, other than a sheriff’s office, that is operated by a unit of local government such as a town, city, township, or county. Tribal police are classified as local police in Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) data collections.

so they have only gifted 3,000 so far, looks like they will be buying another 15,000...

Well, make that 18,000...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States

there were 3,085 sheriff's offices and departments as of the end of 2008.

So 21,000 of these things roaming the country (eventually)... that's 420 per state LULZ! Someone in DHS has a sense of humor. The rise of these paramilitary teams came from the WoD!

There is no record keeping or census of how many SWAT teams exist in the country.

http://www.ndsn.org/july97/swat.html

S.W.A.T. Team Use In U.S. Law Enforcement Dramatically Increases

(This is from 16 years ago)

There has been a dramatic rise in the number of Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams and a rapid expansion of their roles since the early 1980s, according to a new study by Peter Kraska, a professor of police studies at Eastern Kentucky University, and his colleague (Peter B. Kraska and Victor E. Kappeler, "Militarizing American Police: The Rise and Normalization of Paramilitary Units," Social Problems, February 1997, vol. 44, no. 1; "`Paramilitary Police Units' are more popular than ever," Law Enforcement News, May 15, 1997, vol. 23, no. 467, p. 9; William Booth, "Exploding Number of SWAT Teams Sets Off Alarms," Washington Post, June 17, 1997, p. A1).

Kraska said his research shows that the rise in SWAT teams and their activities closely follows the increase in resources used to fight the anti-drug effort. "The drug war created the atmosphere for this kind of pro-active policing," said Kraska.

Kraska surveyed 690 law enforcement agencies serving cities with populations of more than 50,000. According to his survey, 90% have active SWAT teams. In the early 1980s, only 60% of these cities had such units. The researchers found that even in smaller cities and rural communities two of every three police departments have SWAT teams, a trend that Kraska calls "militarizing" Mayberry.

In addition to an increase in the number of SWAT teams, their roles have expanded. Traditionally utilized for highly specialized action, such as barricaded suspects and hostage situations, the teams are increasingly engaged in traditional police work, especially work related to anti-drug efforts. The research shows that between 1990 and 1995 SWAT units were employed in their traditional roles for only a small number of occasions. Instead 75% of their activities were devoted to serving "high risk" warrants, such as "no-knock" warrants, mostly drug searches. "In SWAT units formed since 1980, their use has increased by 538 percent," said Kraska. He added that such units are now being deployed as full-time roaming patrols.

The SWAT teams wear camouflage, body armor and gas masks, and use weapons such as diversionary "flashbangs" (a diversionary device), submachine guns, explosives and chemical weapons. Kraska's survey shows that the SWAT teams receive training by active and retired military experts in special operations. Heckler and Koch, makers of the MP5 submachine gun used by the Navy Seals, also provide training to the SWAT teams. Some units also have helicopters and armored personnel carriers at their disposal.

Fresno Police Chief Ed Winchester said a highly armed, more violent class of criminals requires the use of SWAT teams. "The criminals aren't stupid," said Winchester. "They see eight guys surrounding them, all carrying submachine guns and wearing black fatigues, they don't want to get killed." Winchester said that because of the extreme response tactics used by SWAT teams, they actually fire fewer shots. "They overwhelm the suspects," he said. "They don't need to shoot."

"It's a very dangerous thing, when you're telling cops they're soldiers and there's an enemy out there," said Joseph McNamara, former chief of police in San Jose and Kansas City. McNamara, now a fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, added, "Despite the conventional wisdom that community policing is sweeping the nation, the exact opposite is true." Kraska observes that SWAT teams attract a different kind of officer -- less a "social worker" and more a special operations soldier. "The SWAT teams love this stuff," says Kraska. "It's fun to fire these weapons. It's exciting to train. They use `simmunition' -- like the paint balls and play warrior games. This stuff is a rush."

-t
 
Those are run-flat tires. It'll slow them down, it won't stop them. The rims have a solid interior core. The inside of the hubs are the weakest spot. I was Battalion Maintenance Officer for my unit in Iraq.

You're the perfect person to ask. Its hard to tell scale, but I would suspect the the center of gravity is maybe a meter and a half above the ground. That high of CG would seem to make them susceptible to sapping of a road grade where it collapse when ground pressure got to high, precipitating a rollover. Did you see any of that in the IRQ?

XNN
 
I think some way of rolling them would be a good challenge.


300 bearcats + 2700 of these = 1/county.
 
Acid etching primer or just plain ol' red-oxide primer will ruin the glass...$30-50 gal.

Epoxy would be the best but it's 130-200 for 5 gallon. It would absolutely destory the vehicle, and that includes making the windshields no longer visible.

Hell I bet you coudl do better with great stuff if there was a way to deploy it. I got some of the shit on my door handle 5 years ago and its still there. The finish is wearing out from using the door so much but not where the great stuff is.
 
Here's the thing - I think they WANT a response to give them an excuse for martial law, and yet with no response they just keep building up.

I guess the 300 million of us on the citizen's side will just need to build up faster...can we get our ammo orders placed ahead of theirs?
 
Here's the thing - I think they WANT a response to give them an excuse for martial law, and yet with no response they just keep building up.

I guess the 300 million of us on the citizen's side will just need to build up faster...can we get our ammo orders placed ahead of theirs?

You're funny! :p

-t
 
Not to nitpick but the detonator still would go off. The cage is to offset the Munroe effect. It explodes the rocket 8 or so inches away so that the melted copper [conical liner] cools enough as to not penetrate the armor.

Have you ever seen or heard about a rocket getting stuck in the cage and not detonating? To me it just sounds like a one in a million chance. I honestly don't know though.

You are correct. I was simplifying because the technical details aren't really important.
 
You're the perfect person to ask. Its hard to tell scale, but I would suspect the the center of gravity is maybe a meter and a half above the ground. That high of CG would seem to make them susceptible to sapping of a road grade where it collapse when ground pressure got to high, precipitating a rollover. Did you see any of that in the IRQ?

XNN

Yes. Rollovers are one of the biggest problems on all military heavy duty wheeled vehicles.
 
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