They're not really tanks....From Drudge

[Anti Federalist]

Yes. Rollovers are one of the biggest problems on all military heavy duty wheeled vehicles.

Tank Traps 101

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

There is a similar conversation going on at prison planet.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-d...-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile.html

Most bridges in US can’t even support this thing. Even bridges on our interstates can’t support the weight of this vehicle. If it doesn’t have a bridge then it takes a lot to move this sucker. It becomes a paper weight after that.

I wonder how true this is? It was my understanding that the federal highway system was created specifically so it could handle armor, and lets face it, an Abrams weighs a lot more than this thing. Still, I bet a lot of places are impassable to something like this.

Certainly, the smaller country, single lane bridges would be an issue, ditto dirt roads.





Decent discussion of tank traps from 2001 here too:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77891

-t

 

[Professor8000]

With the proper application of a shaped charge of high explosive and a cone shaped copper plate covering the charge, it is likely to do some heavy damage to the vehicle. Small arms are not likely to do much damage. If you have $18,000 lying around, you can get a Barrett M107A1 .50 Caliber Rifle, and if you manage to get any .50BMG AP rounds with the Tungsten penetrators, it is conceivable to penetrate the armor of that vehicle.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Its a rescue vehicle. It says so on its side.

They've come to rescue you from yourself!!

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I doubt bridges couldn't support this vehicle. I've seen a couple tanks on the bed of a truck and they didn't seem to be worried about it.

 

[tmg19103]

This is how Obama is going to create jobs by building roads.

These monstrosities will tear up any road they drive down.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[TomtheTinker]

I am not worried about being able to defeat these sorts of machines or anything these cowardly fools can put together in a time of war. IM worried about a slow acceptance of these machines during peace time.

 

[shane77m]

DHS MRAP purchase debunked?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/294634_Factchecking-_Obama_DHS_Purcha

Today, conspiracy hounds of the internet were set alight by a rumor that President Obama has ordered “2,700 Light-Armored Tanks” for the Department of Homeland Security. Leading the charge was Jim Hoft who runs the blog Gateway Pundit:

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile

This is getting a little creepy.

According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.

DHS also purchased 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles (MRAP).

Modern Survival Blog reported:

The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.
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The facts.

An MRAP is not a light-armored tank but instead an “armored fighting vehicle” whose acronym stands for Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected. You will notice too that someone has edited the Wiki page including today’s hoax:

In September 2012, it was reported that the Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States. The Department of Homeland Security has used MRAPs in Rapid Response Teams in assisting people effected by natural disasters such as Hurricanes.

Now, let’s go back and look at the figure cited in today’s hoax or 2,717 MRAPs. It seems like a high figure already for DHS. Yes, DHS used armored vehicles, but at this time I have not located the exact amount and type of armored vehicles in their fleet. Where is that figure from is the important question and I able to locate a contract for 2,717 MRAP for the United States Navy:

Defense.gov: Contracts for Monday, January 09, 2012
No. 015-12
CONTRACT: NAVY
Navistar Defense, L.L.C., Warrenville, Ill., is being awarded an $879,923,195 firm-fixed-priced delivery order 0023 under previously awarded contract (M67854-07-D-5032) for the procurement of 2,717 units of rolling chassis; 10 engineering change proposals; and 25 contract data requirements lists, for MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles. Work will be performed in West Point, Miss., and is expected to be completed by the end of October 2013. Procurement funds in the amount of $879,923,195 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The original contract was competitively procured. The Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico, Va., is the contracting activity.

More at the link.

 

[Barrex]

Yea...you are all tough guys...

If I had a choice I would rather drive that in danger than run on foot with a "sticky bomb".

 

[jdcole]

The gunports. Toss a grenade in. Considering that they have no turret gunner, they will have more difficulty in taking on an approaching attacker as long as they stay out of their sectors of fire.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[Carson]

It looks to me like the vulnerable spot on them is the economy.

The back door stealth socialism has all of the occupations, that once held up to the test of time, crippled. Then your going to try and run this program on top of it. And 1,600,000,000 rounds of ammunition to make people dance?

This isn't looking good.

I wonder if they have thought their cunning plan all the way through?

Actually they have unlimited funds to prepare for all possibilities. Ours.

Maybe some advisers will come in and help.

 

[thoughtomator]

Where are the weak spots?

When the people inside go to sleep at night.

When faced with overwhelming force, don't be a dumbass and try to take it head on. The tactical answer is to know where they are and counter where they are not.

Cops wouldn't stand a chance against popular civil resistance. Their families would be dead in no time, their houses burned, their food poisoned. They wouldn't be able to take a step without someone taking a potshot at them. Cops, not being cohesive and battle-tested military units, will fall into disarray quickly as morale drops under these conditions, many will desert, and many others will defect and join the resistance.

 

[presence]

The eyes, douse that bad boy with paint and it becomes a useless paper weight. I think

 

[MRK]

They've come to rescue you from yourself!!

They're going to shoot some freedom into you.

 

[Fivezeroes]

Why does it seem that this government is preparing for war, with its own people? Why the fuck does any police department need an APC? These are bad times.

 

[presence]

Where are the weak spots?

‘Marijuana cannon’

 

[Michigan11]

This is something I would like to see brought up or answered by someone in congress. I'd also like to know why the entire country needs a camera at every intersection in the entire United States. And why did the DHS buy billions of rounds of ammo, all at once.

Has any of our reps or senators mentioned anything about these new armored vehicles?

 

[thoughtomator]

Returning to this topic because it disturbs me that anyone would even consider taking on a tank head on. That kind of brain-dead zerg strategy is for the OWS types - let them die doing it. If you want a chance to survive, don't be there when it happens.

If it comes to that, the places to strike are where they don't have resources, not where they do. Never take on a strong point directly; even if you manage to get superior strength, it's still an awful move. Think siege and attrition instead - you win by outlasting them not by defeating them on the field of battle. Just take a look at how all these insurgencies around the globe manage to survive even the most brutal, well-equipped assaults - they don't do it by taking over the occupiers' bases, they do it by constraining the occupiers to those bases, by making any move outside of them prohibitively dangerous.

If it had crossed your mind at any point to face one of these things in combat in a SHTF scenario, retrain yourself. Read Sun Tsu's Art of War, or at the very minimum ingrain the essential concepts into your thought processes. Also look up the Swiss Leaderless Resistance manual.

The way this kind of thing is resisted best is by NOT providing targets and not providing cooperation. Giving them an excuse to kill you is the worst move to make. Remember you won't be alone - if they're attacking regular civilians, everyone will be in the same boat, and everyone not on the occupation team is probably on your team. Be a good teammate, and stay alive so you can stay in the game. The best thing you can do may turn out to be to help someone else who can do something you can't. If you're dead, you won't be around to be a difference maker at the moment of truth.