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I have personalty seen the courts disregard these statements. I have also seen jurys back the irs when these issues are brought forth.
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Economic: Taxes: There is no federal or state income tax on working wages by law in this country.
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And that is always the crux of the matter. If you believe there is no justice, then why bother.
Glad our forefathers did not hold this opinion.
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Except I use Supreme Court rulings..."their laws?"
I inadvertently left this thread because nobody else was commenting, so I thought it was dead.
It is true that this is one of the most important issues, yet most people are off to some interesting eye candy on the board because the issue of taxation really taxes your intelligence. Unfortunately, too many people are drinking fluoridated water, smoking too much wacky weed, and graduated from a government school.
It is true that this is one of the most important issues, yet most people are off to some interesting eye candy on the board because the issue of taxation really taxes your intelligence. Unfortunately, too many people are drinking fluoridated water, smoking too much wacky weed, and graduated from a government school.
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I didn't get a detailed paystub or anything, but it was the former IIRC.
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Didn't Irwin Schiff make all the same arguments you're making? (haven't thought about the Schiff case in years)
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The law?
Which one, specifically?
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The arguments may be the same, the defense of these arguments is totally different.
Schiff and all the others tried to defend their arguments with their own interpretations of the law.
What I am attempting to show you is that the use of the word "service" has been corrupted and that by using the governments positions I can defend my argument.
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I've been "doing it" for a long time. And so have many others on this forum, but I have seen they don't really post anymore, as I wrt this subject.
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I suppose if you're self employed and don't pay income tax that's possible, but my only real jobs have been through employers who withold for me.
I do know people get killed over not paying taxes, so I'm wary of actually encouraging folks to do this.
But of course anything one can do with cash and a handshake is fine with me
I suppose if you're self employed and don't pay income tax that's possible, but my only real jobs have been through employers who withold for me.
I do know people get killed over not paying taxes, so I'm wary of actually encouraging folks to do this.
But of course anything one can do with cash and a handshake is fine with me
WilliamC,
If I was self-employed, then I would owe income tax. But I, like you, am a laborer.
I refute my employer's W-2 and only claim as taxable income for the federal, state and local income taxes the remuneration I received for vacation and holiday pay, and a yearly bonus.
Yes, freedom is a very scary thing, but once you go there, you never want to go back.
I have done this for the last 5 years.
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I suppose if you're self employed and don't pay income tax that's possible, but my only real jobs have been through employers who withold for me.
I do know people get killed over not paying taxes, so I'm wary of actually encouraging folks to do this.
But of course anything one can do with cash and a handshake is fine with me
No, I am not self employed.
I work in the private sector.
Just increase your exemptions to not pay income tax outside of FICA.
Danke,
Just increasing your exemptions only affects what your employer takes out for income tax. It does not settle the record for what your employer claims he paid you as taxable wages on your W-2 to the IRS or the state.
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Wow, Wheeljack what a great thread. I must say that you are probably the first person I have come across that I agree with on all points -that is so far as federal income taxation is concerned.
To quickly add (at least to my current understanding), Mr. Schiff operated a business and moreover many of his charges involved off-shoring several million Dollars in profits; thus, he had as fact been engaging in a taxable activity and subsequently had committed serious crimes in attempting to conceal his realized wealth from the knowledge of the government.
I myself file a complete tax refund (a joint claim of refund) with the IRS (from TY-2007 to present). The IRS has in turn to date, and I add unlawfully, has or had:
(1) imposed over $30,000 in individual, ‘frivolous’ penalties against both me and my wife;
(2) issued a ‘lock-in letter’ at “single and zero” on me as of 2008;
(3) issued separate public liens on both me and my wife;
(4) issued separate levies on both me and my wife;
(5) began garnishing my pay since 2011;
(6) claimed that both me and my wife have yet to file any tax returns since TY-2007;
(7) denied me and my wife all administrative due process, while flagging our IRS accounts into an entirely automated “ACS-FRP” based out of both Ogden, UT and Fresno, CA;
(8) failed to reduce our already withheld amounts from whatever penalties imposed, and;
(9) has SFR both me and my wife, but only for TY-2008, and issued related penalty interested;
* This is just a general outline, there are many, many additional issues pertaining to both me and my wife’s classification within the IRS’ internal procedures and documents, assessments, certifications, etc.
Last I heard, the IRS had alleged in court testimony that over 10,000 individuals file for what they have (unlawfully) termed ‘frivolous refund filings’. We need to dramatically increase that sum to at least a very high six-figured number.
Personally, I think this is what we all need to begin doing; we should all be calling out these conversionists for what they really are, by standing up to those tyrannous without any fear whatsoever, regardless of whatever type of sorted hullabaloo-scaremongering they devise or retort upon.
The basis of my own research as to taxation is available for consumption below:
The Crux of Federal ‘Taxation’ (CFT) [PDF]
Points in Further Support of the CFT [PDF]
To quickly add (at least to my current understanding), Mr. Schiff operated a business and moreover many of his charges involved off-shoring several million Dollars in profits; thus, he had as fact been engaging in a taxable activity and subsequently had committed serious crimes in attempting to conceal his realized wealth from the knowledge of the government.
I myself file a complete tax refund (a joint claim of refund) with the IRS (from TY-2007 to present). The IRS has in turn to date, and I add unlawfully, has or had:
(1) imposed over $30,000 in individual, ‘frivolous’ penalties against both me and my wife;
(2) issued a ‘lock-in letter’ at “single and zero” on me as of 2008;
(3) issued separate public liens on both me and my wife;
(4) issued separate levies on both me and my wife;
(5) began garnishing my pay since 2011;
(6) claimed that both me and my wife have yet to file any tax returns since TY-2007;
(7) denied me and my wife all administrative due process, while flagging our IRS accounts into an entirely automated “ACS-FRP” based out of both Ogden, UT and Fresno, CA;
(8) failed to reduce our already withheld amounts from whatever penalties imposed, and;
(9) has SFR both me and my wife, but only for TY-2008, and issued related penalty interested;
* This is just a general outline, there are many, many additional issues pertaining to both me and my wife’s classification within the IRS’ internal procedures and documents, assessments, certifications, etc.
Last I heard, the IRS had alleged in court testimony that over 10,000 individuals file for what they have (unlawfully) termed ‘frivolous refund filings’. We need to dramatically increase that sum to at least a very high six-figured number.
Personally, I think this is what we all need to begin doing; we should all be calling out these conversionists for what they really are, by standing up to those tyrannous without any fear whatsoever, regardless of whatever type of sorted hullabaloo-scaremongering they devise or retort upon.
The basis of my own research as to taxation is available for consumption below:
The Crux of Federal ‘Taxation’ (CFT) [PDF]
Points in Further Support of the CFT [PDF]
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Also, regarding the earlier SCOTUS quotes:
In: Evans v. Gore, 253 U.S. 245, 263 (1920)
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/253/245/case.html#263
I do not think that quote is really relevant to anything relating to the populace. That case was about certain constitutional protections afforded judges, which at the time was being related to the unconstitutional taxing of their earnings; also if I recall that case has since been overturned, as judges are now taxed on their earnings.
In: Brushaber v. Union Pacific R. Co., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/240/1/case.html
None of this quote appears to be from that case: “Income has been taken to mean the same thing as used in the Corporation Excise Tax of 1909 (36 Stat. 112). The worker does not receive a profit or gain from his/her labors-merely an equal exchange of funds for services”
In: Evans v. Gore, 253 U.S. 245, 263 (1920)
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/253/245/case.html#263
I do not think that quote is really relevant to anything relating to the populace. That case was about certain constitutional protections afforded judges, which at the time was being related to the unconstitutional taxing of their earnings; also if I recall that case has since been overturned, as judges are now taxed on their earnings.
In: Brushaber v. Union Pacific R. Co., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/240/1/case.html
None of this quote appears to be from that case: “Income has been taken to mean the same thing as used in the Corporation Excise Tax of 1909 (36 Stat. 112). The worker does not receive a profit or gain from his/her labors-merely an equal exchange of funds for services”
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