There are too few atheists in the US

[ccannizzaro]

Atheism correlates with big government.

Data to back that up?

Atheism correlates with Marxism, Socialism, and Communism.

Data to back that up?

Atheism correlates with the nanny-state.

Data to back that up?

 

[Computer]

Your quote doesn't make sense when you consider that athiesm is the fastest growing "religion" and yet you say we're getting dumber?


So did Hitler...

Oh no, I'm being shouted down by the rabble. Don't you understand that the bottom, let's say 1% or smaller of Americans, the helpless, hopeless meth, heroine, crack users, with mental defects like schizophrenia and low IQs, create the majority of crime, filth, and unsightliness in society? Would it be so cruel to give an 80 IQ crackwhore with schizophrenia a few thousand bucks to have her tubes tied, ASSUMING SHE WAS WILLING? You'd rather her pump out 12 kids that become wards of the state, while some Harvard graduate has one kid at 36 and then is too old for more?? Think about it. On the other hand, someone like Ron Paul should be SUBSIDIZED by the government to have kids. Like, we don't need more stable, intelligent, family oriented doctors, do we?

Any country that considers these matters will prosper and control the future. Others will shrivel and die. Our country subsidizes dysgenics!!

 

[4RP08inKCMO]

Data to back that up: most Atheists vote Democrat. Surely I don't have to explain the relationship between Communism and Atheism.

 

[ccannizzaro]

No other group in the entire world, except atheists, that make a groups and adherence about a Person they do not believe that exists. There are no groups or delineations that form adherence about their anti-belief in the Tooth Fairy, Minotaurs, and Unicorns. There are no other blasphemies as a curse other than Jesus Christ. No one screams Mohammed, Hitler, Buddha, or any other major leader in fits of anger. You can only attack the living, and God and Jesus is real and is alive and the vehemence I've witnessed all my life towards God shows this.

This whole post is silly, but this part is rather hilarious. It's not a resistance of a god that you are "witnessing". It is a resistance of those who seek to push those beliefs in that god on another, through politics, through social programs, through general campaigning.


Yes, they are a group, they identify with each other in the same way that all groups of humans with something in common identify with each other. But their coalescence is no more an affirmation of the existence of god than a religious group's gathering is an affirmation that one does not exist.

 

[ccannizzaro]

Data to back that up? Sure: most Atheists vote Democrat. Surely I don't have to explain the relationship between Communism and Atheism.

so first you say that there is a correlation with all those things, and that is the cause for them voting democrat.

Then you turn around and say that the only way you know there is a correlation is because they vote democrat.

Is anybody else seeing the circular reasoning?

 

[loupeznik]

It has nothing to do with there being too few Atheists. It has everything to do with Atheists being just as ignorant as religious people.

People with "no religion" made up 18% of the of the Democrats vote in Nevada. Tied for the third largest religious demographic. I can guarantee there was a higher percentage of religous voters than there was "no religion" voters for Ron Paul because most Atheists vote Democrat.

Atheism correlates with intelligence? Wrong. Atheism correlates with big government. Atheism correlates with Marxism, Socialism, and Communism. Atheism correlates with the nanny-state. In other words...Atheism correlates with the Democrats.

My Atheist group is comprised of about 50% libertarians, 30% Democrats 20% undeclared. Then again we are in Texas.

Atheism simply means without gods. To presume anything else leaves a person open to error.

 

[4RP08inKCMO]

so first you say that there is a correlation with all those things, and that is the cause for them voting democrat.

Then you turn around and say that the only way you know there is a correlation is because they vote democrat.

Is anybody else seeing the circular reasoning?

I never said it was the cause for them voting Democrat, I just stated that they do vote Democrat.

 

[Computer]

This discussion should move to Hot Topics.

 

[bkreigh]

Atheist in Maine!

 

[ccannizzaro]

I never said it was the cause for them voting Democrat, I just stated that they do vote Democrat.

And Just so we're clear... you have no data to back it up. You're just making an assumption based on voting democrat.

nevermind that you could make the same assumptions, just as easily about someone voting republican. Big-government, Fascism, police state... but it's still just an assumption.

 

[Sandy]

It has nothing to do with there being too few Atheists. It has everything to do with Atheists being just as ignorant as religious people.

People with "no religion" made up 18% of the of the Democrats vote in Nevada. Tied for the third largest religious demographic. I can guarantee there was higher percentage of religous voters than there was "no religion" voters for Ron Paul because most Atheists vote Democrat.

Atheism correlates with intelligence? Wrong. Atheism correlates with big government. Atheism correlates with Marxism, Socialism, and Communism. Atheism correlates with the nanny-state. In other words...Atheism correlates with the Democrats.

You said it, and I have run across plenty of unintelligent atheists, including one that recently told me: "I believe what the TV tells me." That is not a joke. There are a ton of religious supporters of RP, there are a ton of atheists who voted for other candidates Rep and Dem.

Lower intelligence runs across the spectrum right now of all walks of life, much of it has to do with our decades long (RP will tell you what he had to learn on his own) dumbed down public education system, brainwashing by the media/gov't/entertainment, etc. Also, RP is a Christian, and most of the founders were Orthodox Christians and the remaining few deists. Some of the most brilliant and courageous men to ever live.

Some people really need to puff themselves up and put themselves on a pedestal on here, a need for praise and recognition if you ask me. As for voluntary sterilization, that leads to forced sterilization. Same thing with voluntary euthanasia, leads to involuntary euthanasia. That one poster thinks he's so intelligent but seems to not have studied history very well. His belief could very well come around and bite him in the arse.

Maybe they will force sterilization on and/or euthanize RP supporters, which one might he be subject to? Darwin himself was a racist and eugenicist, the communists and Nazis took his beliefs/ideas and used them.

 

[4RP08inKCMO]

And Just so we're clear... you have no data to back it up. You're just making an assumption based on voting democrat.

nevermind that you could make the same assumptions, just as easily about someone voting republican. Big-government, Fascism, police state... but it's still just an assumption.

Are you saying most voting Atheists do not vote Democrat?

 

[Danny Molina]

This discussion should move to Hot Topics.

No, all that ever does is kill threads. Hot Topics is where threads go to die.

 

[ccannizzaro]

From my experience, my guess is that most Atheists lean more towards libertarian than anything else. Or at least, socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Given the rise of the neocons, the democrats have simply fit that bill better than republicans since the mid 90's. So to assume that Atheists want the nanny state simply because they vote democrat is outrageously fallacious. An anybody who has found a home with Ron Paul's campaign should be ashamed of making such an assumption based on a vote for one party or another.

 

[ccannizzaro]

Are you saying most voting Atheists do not vote Democrat?

No

 

[Computer]

Oh no, I'm being shouted down by the rabble. Don't you understand that the bottom, let's say 1% or smaller of Americans, the helpless, hopeless meth, heroine, crack users, with mental defects like schizophrenia and low IQs, create the majority of crime, filth, and unsightliness in society? Would it be so cruel to give an 80 IQ crackwhore with schizophrenia a few thousand bucks to have her tubes tied, ASSUMING SHE WAS WILLING? You'd rather her pump out 12 kids that become wards of the state, while some Harvard graduate has one kid at 36 and then is too old for more?? Think about it. On the other hand, someone like Ron Paul should be SUBSIDIZED by the government to have kids. Like, we don't need more stable, intelligent, family oriented doctors, do we?

Any country that considers these matters will prosper and control the future. Others will shrivel and die. Our country subsidizes dysgenics!!

Gee, no one taking up the case of 80 IQ crack whores with schizophrenia?? I figured some of the Christians would be clamoring to adopt her children!

 

[Computer]

Anyone who has been immersed in organized religion from infancy faces an enormous challenge to escape their imposed world view.

All our ideas relate back to our world view. It's very hard to step out of that and make the paradigm shift. Intelligence has far less to do with it than emotional attachment. So while I despair of so many Americans having fallen to religious propaganda, I'm sympathetic to their plight.

QFT. I was lucky enough to have two reasonable parents who were not cruel enough to subject my young mind to the indoctrination of the church. Of course, both of them were subjected to it as young people. I guess they were just too good at critical thinking!

 

[Paulitician]

My Atheist group is comprised of about 50% libertarians, 30% Democrats 20% undeclared. Then again we are in Texas.

Atheism simply means without gods. To presume anything else leaves a person open to error.

Agreed.

I don't think there should be more atheists, more Christians or whatever else. The topic of religion shouldn't even be brought up if you ask me. Too much of a non-issue.

Anyhow, Communists denounced anything that took away power and influence of the state--the Church (which ever that one may be), the family, other social institutions etc. etc. Also, it doesn't surprise me most atheists would vote Democrat. Republicans spend too much time pandering to religious folk and even flaunting their religion. Atheists are I would say more likely "civil libertarian" and therefore not too socially conservative, which of course most Republicans are and care about. Their views on government and economics are of course across the spectrum. And it's not like Republicans are perfect capitalists, individualists, minarchists etc. Again, the issue of partisanship comes up and it's stupid.

 

[ccannizzaro]

the communists and Nazis took his beliefs/ideas and used them.

You do realize that this says nothing about atheism or Darwin, right?

I mean, if I tried to force the hand of God by putting to death anyone who worked on a Sunday, I would be bad too. Does that say something about christianity? No, IMHO.

 

[Paul10]

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