Theology of Paul from a Christian Deist

[Sola_Fide]

Or is it because God gave the dominion to Satan?

That is not Biblical at all. You've said that I don't know how many times on here. It's not true.

Matthew 28:18

Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Proverbs 21:1

The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes.

Psalm 22:28

For the kingdom is the LORD'S And He rules over the nations.

Romans 8:28

And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

It seems like whenever you post something or say something, its always wrong.

 

[euphemia]

Okay, now you are being snarky and sarcastic. You really can't find a civilization that didn't have some sort of worship. Even the advanced ones. It's chronicled on their architecture and in their literature.

 

[Ronin Truth]

That is not Biblical at all. You've said that I don't know how many times on here. It's not true.

It seems like whenever you post something or say something, its always wrong.

What's wrong with these?

A plethora of scriptural evidence exists to confirm the above conclusion that Satan is in control of human governments and all worldly authority.

For starters:

1 John 5:19: We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of Satan.

According to John, the world is under the control of Satan, just as Satan himself claimed during Jesus’ temptation.

A constant theme throughout the New Testament is the warning against becoming too involved with Satan’s world. The earthly world is identified as Satan’s realm, while Christians are called to reject the world and follow God. The following are just a couple of such passages:


James 4:4-7: You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God… Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


1 John 2:15-17: Do not love the world or anything in the world… For everything in the world… comes not from the Father but from the world…


Rather than following earthly authority, that authority which comes from Satan, Christians are called upon to follow God’s authority, and the authority of the teachings of God’s son, Jesus.


Luke 4:5-8

1 John 5:19

1 John 2:15-17

James 4:4-7

Matthew 20:25-26

Philippians 3:20

Hebrews 13:14

Acts 4:26

 

[Sola_Fide]

What's wrong with these?

What's wrong is that you don't know what the Greek word for "world" is. It's kosmos, and it does not mean "the government" in those passages you cited.

You see, this is the problem with an uneducated person (let alone, a non-Christian) making assertions about things he should rather study more about.

 

[Ronin Truth]

What's wrong is that you don't know what the Greek word for "world" is. It's kosmos, and it does not mean "the government" in those passages you cited.

You see, this is the problem with an uneducated person (let alone, a non-Christian) making assertions about things he should rather study more about.

I'm not a Greek and neither was Yashua. So why don't the world's Bibles SAY "kosmos"? Get real, Goober

 

[Sola_Fide]

I'm not a Greek and neither was Yashua. Get real, Goober

Do you not know that all the words from the verses you just cited were written in Koine Greek?

 

[Ronin Truth]

Do you not know that all the words from the verses you just cited were written in Koine Greek?

Do you know that all of the words in a bunch (all) of my Bibles are written in English?

Isn't the Holy Spirit riding herd on the translators selection process?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Do you know that all of the words in a bunch (all) of my Bibles are written in English?

Isn't the Holy Spirit riding herd on the translators selection process?

Oh my...

It's actually worse than I thought with you...

 

[Ronin Truth]

Oh my...

It's actually worse than I thought with you...

I'll take that as a yes.

If you don't answer the questions I can stuff words into your mouth, right?

 

[moostraks]

I understand what you mean moostracks. On Sundays I want to come home from church and spend some time talking with other believers about what blessed me that day. It's just too hard to have a sane discussion because a lot of posters do not seem to be able to express their doctrine without denegrating the doctrine of others. It's a real shame.

I also apologize for misspelling your username. Somehow my fingers go faster than my new glasses let me read. I have fixed the misspellings. Could you please fix where you quoted me?

Fixed it

Ya know, I feel all too often that I am equally culpable in the difficulties in discussion because the heated debates drive me crazy, and my saying anything is taken as some sort of automatic disagreement with all content, so the easy tactic against my complaints has become a knee jerk cheap shot complaints because some folks have a twisted idea about my faith path. I know the damage that is caused by certain tactics, though, and it really bothers me to see the denegration occur.

When I was in grade school I had an art teacher go off the rails on me about a typical kindergarten picture of a sun with rays coming off of it. It was humiliating because I had tried pretty hard with that picture. I walked away feeling hopeless and worthless and without talent and was further ashamed because one of my siblings was incredibly artistically talented. So I avoided hands on art until I started teaching and pulled in some Waldorf aspects to our schooling. I still have a great deal to learn, but my family has been very supportive and surprised at the ability I have considering my own opinion of my skills. Disrespectful talking to others on issues of faith does the same thing as that art teacher did and many people have had the life sucked out of their faith because of someone who would likely bluster on about how frustrated they were because of the naivety or ignorance of the person they disrespected. Some seem to take pride on being contentious as though it proves they are chosen and the rest of the world is going to hell.

 

[moostraks]

That's ridiculous. There is no way you can learn without division. You must have the contrast in order to learn. If there was a forum full of Lindsey Graham supporters' posts, you would never know the truth.

Galatians 5:13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

 

[hells_unicorn]

You seem to have a problem following more than a sentence. You might try answering a paragraph, or more. The "I'm out" is refering to the "open air panopticon" not the thread.

And, I've been called more "worser" names than "sonny". Try again, like "Mutherfucker" or something, but even that won't dent me.

I prefer to break down peoples' thoughts (or lack thereof) into smaller bits since it gives people less ability to weasel their way out of what they've said, though in your case, it was a wasted effort. Nevertheless, you should take your own advice since my own words weren't to suggest that you were leaving the thread, but rather that you would cease conversing with me, which evidently you are still doing, so welcome back to the spooky panopticon. lol

Sonny is a term of endearment when directed towards a novice, and I use expletives sparingly as they tend to lose their effect if employed constantly. It's a question of style, and on that note, I take it that English is not your first language given the frequent syntax and spelling errors that are replete in your posts. Do feel free to continue, since you seem all too comfortable in the panopticon that you would otherwise wish to escape.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I'm not a Greek and neither was Yashua. So why don't the world's Bibles SAY "kosmos"? Get real, Goober

lol You are truly a kook. Newsflash, Greek was the most widely spoken and written language in the area where the Gospel was being preached, it was essentially a required 2nd language for all the various Arabic, Persian and other various near east groups that were the first targets of being evangelized. It stands to reason that the Gospel accounts would be written in said language because that is how most would read them. If the biblical canon were some grand Roman conspiracy (as you suggest), it would likewise behoove the authors of the New Testament to have originally penned it in Latin, not Greek, but a comprehensive Latin bible was not put together until a couple centuries later.

Your understanding of the historical context of the Gospel is literally as crazy as people who think that Jesus and the original tribes of Israel were Nordic Caucasians.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Galatians 5:13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Thanks for posting.

 

[Ronin Truth]

lol You are truly a kook. Newsflash, Greek was the most widely spoken and written language in the area where the Gospel was being preached, it was essentially a required 2nd language for all the various Arabic, Persian and other various near east groups that were the first targets of being evangelized. It stands to reason that the Gospel accounts would be written in said language because that is how most would read them. If the biblical canon were some grand Roman conspiracy (as you suggest), it would likewise behoove the authors of the New Testament to have originally penned it in Latin, not Greek, but a comprehensive Latin bible was not put together until a couple centuries later.

Your understanding of the historical context of the Gospel is literally as crazy as people who think that Jesus and the original tribes of Israel were Nordic Caucasians.

Perhaps, but at least I haven't joined the Paulinista Mafia.

 

[Kotin]

please keep it civil and substantive

 

[moostraks]

Thanks for posting.

You are welcome. The portions I highlighted were pertinent to my response to your position you were proclaiming was effective and necessary. Are you comparing your activity to idolatry and witchcraft? I am failing to see the logic for the selection of increase font and highlight.

Or are you trying to bring up my past history again as a means to shut me up?

Because if YOU are trying to bring my PAST into the conversation, well, it ain't me who has a problem.

~~~peace

 

[Sola_Fide]

You are welcome. The portions I highlighted were pertinent to my response to your position you were proclaiming was effective and necessary. Are you comparing your activity to idolatry and witchcraft?

Or are you trying to bring up my past history again as a means of...

Because if YOU are trying to bring my PAST into the conversation, well, it ain't me who has a problem.

~~~peace

It's perfectly appropriate to bring up your past if you have never repented of it. You haven't repented of it, therefore all those verses and pictures that you are posting are judgements against yourself.

 

[moostraks]

It's perfectly appropriate to bring up your past if you have never repented of it. You haven't repented of it, therefore all those verses and pictures that you are posting are judgements against yourself.

I see, and you think you know anything about my faith? Tasteless, absurd statements about that which you know not in order to score social points. Make your own bed, you are harming yourself not me.

Matthew 18:23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

That my faith path didn't even effect you (and as yet, all that has been assumed about my PAST has been so overblown it is ridiculous) but it makes your pettiness and baseless accusations here even more disgusting, because you are not the person to whom I need or needed to repent but you place yourself in the seat of judgement all for theatrics on the Internet. You make a habit of trying to score spiritual credibility off of humiliating others. It is repulsive. You are sowing some really nasty seeds that one day will have to be harvested.

You cannot change my reality to your alternate universe of fear.

 

[Ronin Truth]

“If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they need look no further than Paul.” -- The English philosopher Jeremy Bentham (1748-1832)