Theology of Paul from a Christian Deist

[ClydeCoulter]

Informing the ignorant is my chief end here sonny, the only people who are intimidated by truth are the dishonest. Get some thicker skin.



If my accusations of you toting a tin-foil hat were inaccurate, you might do well not to talk like you are actually wearing one. I know people tied in with The Venus Project that sound more rational than this word salad.



Very intriguing, throw in some Science Fiction plot line and you'll have yourself a splinter sect of Scientology.



Indeed, do have fun and run along now. But do keep in mind that there is a reason why people tend to think of madness in terms of being "out there", as opposed to being "in there". Just some food for thought, since you seem a bit starved on it.

You seem to have a problem following more than a sentence. You might try answering a paragraph, or more. The "I'm out" is refering to the "open air panopticon" not the thread.

And, I've been called more "worser" names than "sonny". Try again, like "Mutherfucker" or something, but even that won't dent me.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

The problem with those that have "soleved their delimas of past".. is that like Ron Paul and his revelations there more to be learned as information and conversation continues to evolve. (oh, he's an evolutionist...no...but things do happen over time. At least in my world)

I was once a baby, and had not heard your voice or your opinions of my existence.
But then I found my hands and feet and learned I could control them.
I perceived some others that seemed to be like me, I called them mommy and daddy.
You came along one day and said that I was strange, and then I felt all alone and not wanted.
I struggled to find my place in your place, but couldn't find it.
I enhanced your environment and made many advances for you.
But you still tried to make me feel like an outsider, even though I gave you washing machines and apple cider.
You kept depressing every idea of freedom and tried to put me in a cubicle of your ideadom.
I leaned how your abstract world worked and I became better at it than your other twerks.
But you still try to tell me I'm strange, and I've learned that yes, I am.

 

[Intoxiklown]

Of course Paul took liberties. There is no doubt he used pagan influences in some of his writings, to make them more appealing to potential converts. The same is true of many books in the Old Testament, ranging from Sumerian history (Abraham was from Sumer) renamed all around t make room for Noah, all the way to MANY "encounters" with God. Read the Exodus story, and if you're objective, you realize very quick that the story is either fabricated, or accept that God was one constantly surprised and tempermental deity. A greedy one at that, as he instructed the Jews to "borrow" (steal) from their Egyptian neighbors before leaving. What exactly would God want with gold and silver?

As a Christian, my faith rests in the resurrection of Christ. Everything else is secondary. How much liberty did Paul take? Who knows. But honestly, it is of no consequence. Kind of like people picturing Christ with long hair. That image is him being from Nazareth, someone assumed once that he must have taken the vow of the Nazarene (part of it being not to cut your hair), when nowhere in any writings do we read of Christ doing that.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Of course Paul took liberties. There is no doubt he used pagan influences in some of his writings, to make them more appealing to potential converts.

That completely contradicts Paul's own account of his life. He said he was NOT trying to please anyone with what he said:

Galtians 1:10-24

Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being.

I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus.

Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.

Then I went to Syria and Cilicia. I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” And they praised God because of me.

 

[Ronin Truth]

That's ridiculous. There is no way you can learn without division. You must have the contrast in order to learn. If there was a forum full of Lindsey Graham supporters' posts, you would never know the truth.

What you consistently get from the Paulinistas (AKA [so called] "Christians") here couldn't be more clear. Judgment, criticism, hypocrisy, foolishness, bigotry, deceit, falsehoods, etc..

 

[Intoxiklown]

That completely contradicts Paul's own account of his life. He said he was NOT trying to please anyone with what he said:

You mean Paul didn't document his affection for certain pagan beliefs? That is odd, because someone lying always tells you how they are lying.

 

[Sola_Fide]

What you consistently get from the Paulinistas (AKA [so called] "Christians") here couldn't be more clear. Judgment, criticism, hypocrisy, foolishness, bigotry, deceit, falsehoods, etc..

That's just name-calling. What we get from you (and this isn't name calling) is ridiculous so-called "contradictions" that get soundly refuted every time you mention one on the forum. That is why you rarely ever post them.

 

[Sola_Fide]

You mean Paul didn't document his affection for certain pagan beliefs? That is odd, because someone lying always tells you how they are lying.

That's right, he didn't. Paul received his doctrine by a revelation from Jesus Christ Himself. This can be read about in the book of Acts, 1st Corinthians, and Galatians.

 

[Ronin Truth]

That's just name-calling. What we get from you (and this isn't name calling) is ridiculous so-called "contradictions" that get soundly refuted every time you mention one on the forum. That is why you rarely ever post them.

Oh yeah, I forgot silly.


Silly Sola_Fide post score +1.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Oh yeah, I forgot silly.


Silly Sola_Fide post score +1.

Post another "contradiction" and we'll make you look silly again. I dare you.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

That's right, he didn't. Paul received his doctrine by a revelation from Jesus Christ Himself. This can be read about in the book of Acts, 1st Corinthians, and Galatians.

Circular references are circular.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Circular references are circular.

All worldviews are circular at the fundamental level of axioms, including all atheistic worldviews. The Christian's starting point is the word of God.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

All worldviews are circular at the fundamental level of axioms, including all atheistic worldviews. The Christian's starting point is the word of God.

Source? Or, your own proofs of such?

 

[euphemia]

Source? Or, your own proofs of such?

Can you name a single culture that does not worship something called a deity? Can you find a single culture that is purely secular and has no history of any kind that included worship?

 

[Ronin Truth]

Source? Or, your own proofs of such?

Axioms, by definition require no proofs. Clever, eh?

 

[euphemia]

Okay, so you name a single culture that has been secular and athestic since the dawn of time.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Source? Or, your own proofs of such?

Source? This is something that doesn't need a source. This is the nature of thought and if you don't yet understand presuppositional thinking, then you need to. Atheistic worldviews, at the fundamental level are circular. They aver that sense perception provides truth because we have observed that sense perception provides truth. Every worldview is circular.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Okay, so you name a single culture that has been secular and athestic since the dawn of time.

I'll SWAG homo erectus. Both church and state were gifts or just made up sometime quite a bit later.

 

[euphemia]

I'll SWAG homo erectus. Both church and state were gifts or just made up sometime quite a bit later.

But you really can't prove that, can you? No verifiable source? I promise I won't beat you up if you can't find one. There are cultures today that are trying to quash religion. Why do you think that is? Why is it so important to get people to stop being religious? Do you think it is because the power of God is greater than the power of the State?

 

[Ronin Truth]

But you really can't prove that, can you?

Nor can you, right?

No verifiable source?

Do you really want to go there?

I promise I won't beat you up if you can't find one.

Good, I was really quaking in my boots that you just might.

There are cultures today that are trying to quash religion.

Indeed there are. Mostly Marxists. Then there's those One World Religion foks of the NWO. Lots of so called "Christians" in that bunch.

Why do you think that is?

Satan rules the Earth?

Why is it so important to get people to stop being religious?

I give up, why?

Do you think it is because the power of God is greater than the power of the State?

Or is it because God gave the dominion to Satan?

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