Theology of Paul from a Christian Deist

[erowe1]

What the Peter, Paul, the brothers of Jesus, and the other apostles preached (1 Corinthians 15:1-11):

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

What Jesus preached (Matthew 16:21):

21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

 

[erowe1]

Paul on love fulfilling the Law (Romans 13:8-10 and Galatians 5:14):

8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,”[a] “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”[

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Jesus on love fulfilling the Law (Matthew 22:34-40):

34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[Ronin Truth]

That proves my point. You know the evidence is against your claims. You refuse to consider it. So why do you claim to believe things that you know go against the actual evidence?

That's no evidence. None. You are only continuing to make my case.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

@Ronin,

Try finding the inconsistencies of the logic in the flow. That is where you will find some of your answers.

Ask questions of yourself of the "history" stated.

Here's a list to look into to start:

* Who is Leah, and how does that compare to Hagar?

* Who did Jacob bless? (pass his authority/name on to, and compare that to Issac and Jacob/Esau, for consistency of inheritance)

* What was the actual prophesy of the virgin/maiden (read the whole thing, not just a verse, it actually transpires over several years, as it said "before the child is old enough to say mom and dad")

* Why did John the Baptist send some of his followers to ask if Jesus was the one, wasn't John the first witness? (edit: And could Jesus have visited him in prison, and if so, wouldn't that be a good example)

These are just a few questions that will make you ask if there is consistency in the flow of the stories or if some things were interjected for a purpose. (the lying pen of the scribes)

 

[erowe1]

That's no evidence. None. You are only continuing to make my case.

So Jesus and Paul didn't both preach that Jesus was crucified and resurrected?

Jesus and Paul didn't both preach that love is the fulfillment of the law?

Jesus and Paul didn't both preach salvation by faith in Jesus?

Jesus and Paul didn't both preach that divorce and remarriage is wrong?

Jesus and Paul didn't both pass on the same traditions of baptism and the Lord's supper?

Jesus and Paul didn't both preach that Gentiles could be saved without converting to Judaism?

Because unless you're claiming all those things, there's a lot of evidence.

 

[Ronin Truth]

So Jesus and Paul didn't both preach that Jesus was crucified and resurrected?

Jesus and Paul didn't both preach that love is the fulfillment of the law?

Jesus and Paul didn't both preach salvation by faith in Jesus?

Jesus and Paul didn't both preach that divorce and remarriage is wrong?

Jesus and Paul didn't both pass on the same traditions of baptism and the Lord's supper?

Jesus and Paul didn't both preach that Gentiles could be saved without converting to Judaism?

Because unless you're claiming all those things, there's a lot of evidence.

I still see no evidence. There is nothing there exept for a few unverified, unsupported assertions.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I still see no evidence. There is nothing there exept for a few unverified, unsupported assertions.

Look, Ronin doesn't see anything: