The Zimmerman Trial

[The Free Hornet]

And? There was not burglary or robbery (I hope you realize there is a difference) reported that night. Imagine if Zimmerman had been a cop?

How about the unarmed naked campus guy shot by police:

Armed and Naked

Officer Trevis Austin has been cleared of any criminal wrong doing in the shooting of USA student Gil Collar. Austin shot and killed Collar on October 6, 2012 when the boy attacked a police station on campus*. Collar was nude, and acting erratically at the time.

Like the Travyon Martin case, Collar’s shooting brought national attention, likely because of police involvement. However, unlike the Trayvon Martin case, Trevis Austin appears to have cause for his actions.

www.northmobilepost.com/officer-cleared-in-shooting-of-gil-collar/

[This hick rag is calling banging on some windows by a naked guy an "attack".]

What we know is that similar events with different parties lead to completely different media and state reactions. We don't need to imagine if Zimmerman was a cop. AF et al post every variant on that story:

-dogs shot
-paid leave
-no prosecution
-overkill shooting (multiple, almost-random firings from a multitude of cops) [often]

 

[kahless]

This hick rag is calling banging on some windows by a naked guy an "attack".

Officer safety is paramount. /s

 

[Ender]

"Hi, can I help you, do you live here?" No, no, we must never do that, gasp, oh the horror.

Not when you're on NW and you have been instructed to only Watch and Report. Zimmerman wanted the NW; he should have followed its rules.

 

[The Free Hornet]

He shot him in the chest, not the head.

You NEVER aim for the leg. If shooting someone in the leg would be adequate in stopping the threat in a specific scenario, then the requirements for defense with a deadly weapon have not been met in said scenario. You aim COM.

This is aside from the difficulty involved with hitting a quickly moving extremity. Whole other can of worms.

Sorry. This is just a pet peeve of mine.

The Scenario
After a rough night of center-of-mass tactical training, you were playing grab-ass with a bunch of cop friends and twisted your ankle... BADLY! The next day, as you feel sorry for yourself with your little footy cast, the bad guy grabs your baby!!! Clutching the baby close to his center of mass, he turns to run away but your pursuit options are limited!!!! Where do you shoot?

 

[FrankRep]

Fixed link:

Does This Police Officer’s Testimony Seriously Damage Zimmerman Prosecution’s Case for Second Degree Murder?

The Blaze
July 1, 2013

 

[Flugel89]

The Scenario
After a rough night of center-of-mass tactical training, you were playing grab-ass with a bunch of cop friends and twisted your ankle... BADLY! The next day, as you feel sorry for yourself with your little footy cast, the bad guy grabs your baby!!! Clutching the baby close to his center of mass, he turns to run away but your pursuit options are limited!!!! Where do you shoot?

Hahaha. Are you passively calling me a mall-ninja? I'm out of shape and half decent with a handgun. God forbid I use an acronym like COM.

The context didn't include special circumstances. I don't have a clue what I'd do in a hostage type situation, your ridiculousness aside.

 

[BlackTerrel]

No. As Melissa pointed out, I had a gut reaction that something was wrong, and the PC sentiment that was force-fed in public school aided me in ignoring that and go for the PC sentiment and stay in harm's way instead.

It was an Italian neighborhood, full of white prep-school kids. Three black kids in hoodies is abnormal there whether you like it or not, just as I would be an anomaly on North Avenue in Baltimore.

Was it simply their color? No. Was that part of it? Yes.

If you don't want honesty, put me on ignore. Those kids WERE out to get me, and they did--you're insane if you think I'll put myself in that position again just to appease you or anyone else.

So how does that apply here? Was Zimmerman right to follow Trayvon because he was black? Were the police right to not arrest Zimmerman because Trayvon was black? How far do you follow these stereotypes?

It was an Italian neighborhood, full of white prep-school kids. Three black kids in hoodies is abnormal there whether you like it or not, just as I would be an anomaly on North Avenue in Baltimore.

Anomaly sure - but are you making the argument that we should be wary of white people in Baltimore? Because I doubt you believe that.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Do we all agree that if Zimmerman was a cop no one here would be defending him? Versus now it's about 70% or so on his side? ...

 

[cajuncocoa]

Do we all agree that if Zimmerman was a cop no one here would be defending him? Versus now it's about 70% or so on his side? ...

Can we all agree that if Zimmerman was black and Martin was white, you would be defending Zimmerman?

 

[Ender]

Can we all agree that if Zimmerman was black and Martin was white, you would be defending Zimmerman?

I wouldn't.

I'd still say that Black Z had no business breaking the NW rules and profiling YT Martin.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I wouldn't.

I'd still say that Black Z had no business breaking the NW rules and profiling YT Martin.

So the basis for holding Zimmerman guilty is because he got out of his damned truck? What if he didn't have anything to do with NW? Suppose he was just a guy walking around as was Martin. Does that give Martin the right to hide behind bushes, jump Zimmerman's ass, and pound his head on the ground?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Actually after learning that Martin went home and came back out, I'm more at the point of they both did stupid things that led to the confrontation. Definitely not 2nd Degree murder in my opinion. Negligible manslaughter at best. It very well may have been self-defense. It may have been Martin noticed the gun and was trying to knock Zimmerman out to prevent the risk of letting him up and getting shot. All in all a tragedy.

They are both to blame. Zimmerman shouldn't have followed him around in the first place but if Martin had not returned (probably for a confrontation) he'd still be alive.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Actually after learning that Martin went home and came back out, I'm more at the point of they both did stupid things that led to the confrontation. Definitely not 2nd Degree murder in my opinion. Negligible manslaughter at best. It very well may have been self-defense. It may have been Martin noticed the gun and was trying to knock Zimmerman out to prevent the risk of letting him up and getting shot. All in all a tragedy.

They are both to blame. Zimmerman shouldn't have followed him around in the first place, but if Martin had not returned (probably for a confrontation) he'd still be alive.

^^this^^ especially the emboldened part.

 

[Ender]

So the basis for holding Zimmerman guilty is because he got out of his damned truck? What if he didn't have anything to do with NW? Suppose he was just a guy walking around as was Martin. Does that give Martin the right to hide behind bushes, jump Zimmerman's ass, and pound his head on the ground?

There is only Zimmerman's word on that- we do not know if Martin hid behind any bushes, attacked, etc.

Also- the MD testifying today said that Zimmerman's wounds were not close to life threatening.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Can we all agree that if Zimmerman was black and Martin was white, you would be defending Zimmerman?

If that happened Zimmerman would have been arrested on the scene and this never would have been an issue.

But we all know that.

Cops generally beat the shit out of you, arrest you, and then ask questions later. I guarantee you that if I shot an unarmed man the police wouldn't just let me go after some soft ball questioning.

Everyone here fucking knows that. Even the ones who want to pretend they don't.

 

[BAllen]

Black racism killed Trayvon:

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/black-racism-killed-trayvon-and-paula-deens-career/

 

[cajuncocoa]

If that happened Zimmerman would have been arrested on the scene and this never would have been an issue.

But we all know that.

Cops generally beat the shit out of you, arrest you, and then ask questions later. I guarantee you that if I shot an unarmed man the police wouldn't just let me go after some soft ball questioning.

Everyone here fucking knows that. Even the ones who want to pretend they don't.

That isn't what I asked you, but OK...you have a different agenda. Got it.

 

[BlackTerrel]

That isn't what I asked you, but OK...you have a different agenda. Got it.

You asked what my opinion would be if the races were reversed:

But it's moot - if the races were reversed the killer would have been arrested on the spot. It would be a completely different outcome.

 

[Noob]

The judge tossed out a Florida police detective's statement that he found George Zimmerman credible in his description of fighting with Trayvon Martin

http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-attack-zimmerman-story-several-ways-225209162.html

 

[liveandletlive]

GZ will walk. But there's no doubt he's a liar. A dumb black kid with skittles suddenly becomes a killer who says "your gonna die tonight"?

If anyone here believes in that, you are delusional as fuck. I've fought people bigger and stronger than Trayvon and nobody has ever ended up dead. George, the loser Hispanic who sucked at college and had zero value in society should be going away for manslaughter but he was overcharged.