The Zimmerman Trial

[matt0611]

GZ will walk. But there's no doubt he's a liar. A dumb black kid with skittles suddenly becomes a killer who says "your gonna die tonight"?

If anyone here believes in that, you are delusional as fuck. I've fought people bigger and stronger than Trayvon and nobody has ever ended up dead. George, the loser Hispanic who sucked at college and had zero value in society should be going away for manslaughter but he was overcharged.

Huh? Wait...because he's dumb and he bought skittles he couldn't have possibly lost his temper and attacked someone? The "kid" was taller and much stronger than GZ was.

The punk lost his temper and attacked someone that was armed because he was offended some white boy was following him, luckily that white man was armed and defended himself.

You're right though, GZ will walk, because it was clearly self-defense.

 

[Antischism]

The "you're gonna die tonight" and "you got me" lines sound so uncharacteristic and like they're out of an old Western. I feel like Zimmerman is lying about those to bolster his case and justification for shooting. Doesn't mean he didn't feel threatened or like his life was in danger, but those lines just strike me as very odd.

 

[cajuncocoa]

GZ will walk. But there's no doubt he's a liar. A dumb black kid with skittles suddenly becomes a killer who says "your gonna die tonight"?

If anyone here believes in that, you are delusional as fuck. I've fought people bigger and stronger than Trayvon and nobody has ever ended up dead. George, the loser Hispanic who sucked at college and had zero value in society should be going away for manslaughter but he was overcharged.

Why in the world do you assume Trayvon Martin was dumb?

 

[brandon]

Based on the company he kept (Rachel) I assume his IQ was probably about 70 to 80.

 

[Ender]

Actually after learning that Martin went home and came back out, I'm more at the point of they both did stupid things that led to the confrontation. Definitely not 2nd Degree murder in my opinion. Negligible manslaughter at best. It very well may have been self-defense. It may have been Martin noticed the gun and was trying to knock Zimmerman out to prevent the risk of letting him up and getting shot. All in all a tragedy.

They are both to blame. Zimmerman shouldn't have followed him around in the first place but if Martin had not returned (probably for a confrontation) he'd still be alive.

If Martin went home and then came back out why did his father not know about that and report him as a missing person?

 

[Ender]

Based on the company he kept (Rachel) I assume his IQ was probably about 70 to 80.

Quit assuming.

I worked last year in one of the wealthiest cities in my state- taught well-off white kids. NO ONE could write or read cursive. Not one.

 

[Lucille]

Isn't she a little young for WWII?
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/07/isnt-she-little-young-for-wwii.html

Marine Watching Zimmerman Trial, Catches Officer Wearing Ribbon Reserved For WWII Vets

According to the article, Jeremiah Workman, a Marine who received the nations second highest honor, the Navy Cross was watching the Zimmerman trial when, Doris Singleton, a Sanford Police Officer took the stand. He noticed the ribbon rack she was wearing, and posted it to his facebook page. “Am I going blind or is this police officer in the Zimmerman -Martin trial wearing ribbons that she doesn’t rate?” he wrote alongside the photo he posted to Facebook.”

Two in particular stood out, he said: the World War II Army of Occupation and the Defense Distinguished Service Medal.

There is no two ways about it. The Badge Gang are, for the most part, murderous, corrupt, and shameless scum who aren't above stealing the valor of others. They fancy themselves "sojers" in a manner that is no more convincing than the posturings of rap stars and NFL players. Just listen to them talk about "civilians" as if they are not, by every possible definition, civilians themselves.

I'd like to say it is unbelievable, but it really isn't. If you're willing to gun down dogs, children, and unarmed men, I suppose wearing fake military medals is all in a day's work for a law enforcement officer.

 

[Dianne]

The Snooze media is all about distraction. They will do anything to divert our attention away from Fed. spying on every move me make; and now to learn the U.S. Postal Service is logging mail !!

I won't tune in to the Zimmerman trial under any circumstances.

 

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[brandon]

If Martin went home and then came back out why did his father not know about that and report him as a missing person?

His dad wasn't home, TM was home alone with his 12 year old (half?) brother

Quit assuming.

I worked last year in one of the wealthiest cities in my state- taught well-off white kids. NO ONE could write or read cursive. Not one.

Reading or writing cursive isn't even what I was thinking of. I was more thinking about her inability to form complete sentences or comprehend the simple questions the defense was asking her.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Isn't she a little young for WWII?
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/07/isnt-she-little-young-for-wwii.html

Maybe they belonged to a family member. She's about the right age to be the daughter or granddaughter of a WWII vet.

 

[Ender]

Maybe they belonged to a family member. She's about the right age to be the daughter or granddaughter of a WWII vet.

That was my first thought, as well.

 

[liveandletlive]

Huh? Wait...because he's dumb and he bought skittles he couldn't have possibly lost his temper and attacked someone? The "kid" was taller and much stronger than GZ was.

The punk lost his temper and attacked someone that was armed because he was offended some white boy was following him, luckily that white man was armed and defended himself.

You're right though, GZ will walk, because it was clearly self-defense.

And you need to kill someone to defend yourself? All he had to do was keep crying for help until neighbors break up the fight.

Zimmerman is a liar. Lied about not taking self defense classes when he got an A in the class, apparently the only thing he ever did well in in college

 

[matt0611]

And you need to kill someone to defend yourself? All he had to do was keep crying for help until neighbors break up the fight.

Yeah, you're allowed to if you fear for your life. Especially if TM was going for his gun. GZ was perfectly within his right to use his gun.

"Keep crying for help"... yeah easy for you to say. Puhleeez

TM was a punk, and got what he deserved that night. He knew what he was doing. That's the risk you take when you attack someone.

 

[Ender]

Yeah, you're allowed to if you fear for your life. Especially if TM was going for his gun. GZ was perfectly within his right to use his gun.

"Keep crying for help"... yeah easy for you to say. Puhleeez

TM was a punk, and got what he deserved that night. He knew what he was doing. That's the risk you take when you attack someone.

Prove that.

 

[matt0611]

Prove that.

Look at his history, he was a punk kid, he was no angel.

TM was on TOP of GZ, hitting him before GZ shot him.

Prove GZ murdered TM...tell me what your story is, GZ ran up and tackled TM and then shot him after calling 911? What? What happened? I haven't heard one convincing story from the prosecution about why and how GZ murdered TM that night.

Why is it SO HARD for you to believe that TM attacked GZ that night?

 

[Ender]

Look at his history, he was a punk kid, he was no angel.

TM was on TOP of GZ, hitting him when he GZ shot him.

Prove GZ murdered TM...tell me what your story is, GZ ran up and tackled TM and then shot him after calling 911? What? What happened? I haven't heard one convincing story from the prosecution about why and how GZ murdered TM that night.

Why is it SO HARD for you to believe that TM attacked GZ that night?

Look at Zimmerman's history- he's no angel either- AND he has already lied once to the judge, that we know of. Why do you take every word he says as gospel truth?

From a friend-

So far the prosecutor has shown 11 lies:

(1) Says he got out of car to find an address, but to Serino “That’s following.”

(2) Says the dispatcher tells him go find where Martin went.

(3) Says Martin doubled back and circled around vehicle but witness Rachel says he was trying to lose the creepy guy.

4) Says he was returning to his car but his car is not near where altercation was.

5) Says Martin jumped out of the bushes, but there are no bushes for Martin to jump out from.

6) Says Martin punched nose 20 times, and pounded head on sidewalk, but witness Goode didn’t see this, only punches; no blood on sidewalk and ME and Serino say would have had more injuries and a concussion, if true.

7) Says he slid from sidewalk to grass to avoid head pounding, but no grass stains on pants or jacket.

8) Says Martin was holding his hand over his mouth and nose, but Serino asks why help is still heard very loud if he was doing the yelling and not Martin.

9) Neither witnesses, Manalo or Goode, heard Martin's threat to kill him, but all witnesses heard screams for help.

10) Says he spread out Martin’s hands, but hands together in Manalo picture and in police pics

11) Osterman reports Martin grabbed the gun, but Zim got it back, yet no Martin prints or DNA on gun

 

[cajuncocoa]

Neither one of those men were behaving as angels that night. But a less-than-pristine past doesn't prove Zimmerman's guilt (or Martin's). The evidence has to prove that.

 

[Ender]

Neither one of those men were behaving as angels that night. But a less-than-pristine past doesn't prove Zimmerman's guilt (or Martin's). The evidence has to prove that.

I agree.

I post Zimmerman's past because his supporters are always drudging up Martin's supposed past (most of which is not proven) while extolling Zimmerman.

I did a lot of research into this tragedy last year, because I was first offended by many so-called Libertarians (on another forum) who were accusing Trayvon based solely on the fact that he wore a hoodie. The extreme prejudice against the kid, without an ounce of fact, was mind boggling.

Everything that I studied and listened to, pointed to a determination that Zimmerman is guilty of extreme stupidity and profiling, with a whole lot of ego thrown in. He broke every rule of the Neighborhood Watch instructions that he was given, and asked for, BTW.

All that has been said about Trayvon's involvement in the incident is from Zimmerman's mouth. I believe that everyone should take that with a decided grain of salt and actually research the event. And, by researching, I don't mean finding blogs with hysterical & very questionable "information" supporting either Zimmerman or Trayvon.

 

[matt0611]

Look at Zimmerman's history- he's no angel either- AND he has already lied once to the judge, that we know of. Why do you take every word he says as gospel truth?

From a friend-

So far the prosecutor has shown 11 lies:

(1) Says he got out of car to find an address, but to Serino “That’s following.”

(2) Says the dispatcher tells him go find where Martin went.

(3) Says Martin doubled back and circled around vehicle but witness Rachel says he was trying to lose the creepy guy.

4) Says he was returning to his car but his car is not near where altercation was.

5) Says Martin jumped out of the bushes, but there are no bushes for Martin to jump out from.

6) Says Martin punched nose 20 times, and pounded head on sidewalk, but witness Goode didn’t see this, only punches; no blood on sidewalk and ME and Serino say would have had more injuries and a concussion, if true.

7) Says he slid from sidewalk to grass to avoid head pounding, but no grass stains on pants or jacket.

8) Says Martin was holding his hand over his mouth and nose, but Serino asks why help is still heard very loud if he was doing the yelling and not Martin.

9) Neither witnesses, Manalo or Goode, heard Martin's threat to kill him, but all witnesses heard screams for help.

10) Says he spread out Martin’s hands, but hands together in Manalo picture and in police pics

11) Osterman reports Martin grabbed the gun, but Zim got it back, yet no Martin prints or DNA on gun

I never said GZ was an angel, most of those points can be explained away.

3. Why are those two things mutually exclusive? he could have trying to lose him at one point and then doubled back to see who he was.

4. The altercation was near where he would have had to travel back to his car.

5. I see bushes in the back of the residences on the video, or at least some shrubs

6. Well there was some kind of injuries on the back of GZ wasn't there? Didn't the prosecution's witness even say that this could have been done from an impact against concrete. (at least one impact...)

8. Was he holding his hand over his mouth and nose the WHOLE time?

9. So what? Screams for help are a lot easier to hear than a simple threat

Don't know the defense's answer for all of em though, I haven't been paying enough attention.

I still don't see how you can prove GZ murdered TM beyond a reasonable doubt.