The War Is On: Musk vs. Trump

[Swordsmyth]

You're saying that, after all the mischief the Biden regime caused, Kackling Kamala could have beaten Trump in a straight up fight, and that Musk and his team did not have access to Social Security records.

And I do not believe you.

It was not ever going to be a straight up fight, it was going to be just as rigged as 2020 was.
Trump needed every ally he could get both to make the landslide too big to rig and to resist the rigging.

All the fuss about access to SS records was a combination of lies and hype, they didn't get anything that the government didn't already have or that Big Tech didn't already have and more as well.

 

[acptulsa]

It was not ever going to be a straight up fight, it was going to be just as rigged as 2020 was.
Trump needed every ally he could get both to make the landslide too big to rig and to resist the rigging.

All the fuss about access to SS records was a combination of lies and hype, they didn't get anything that the government didn't already have or that Big Tech didn't already have and more as well.

Three opinions, all of which I find laughable.

You're the one making false statements, imo, and I think reasonable people concerned with facts will agree.

 

[familydog]

So if "lol ertarian" isn't your perjorative for libertarians (and since we of all people know for a solid fact that libertarians do not pursue government subsidies), why don't you define the term for us? Then maybe we'll all know just how wonderful this development is.

A lolbertarian by his nature is not philosophically consistent. He can simultaneously argue that subsidies for his company are necessary, while arguing pork in other areas are an existential threat to the country. The amount of mental gymnastics he performs defied physics, honestly.

A libertarian is just as inconsistent upon sufficient inquiry, but a libertarian is at least good faith. However, we must point out that 99% of those claiming to be libertarian are simply lolbertarians.

 

[acptulsa]

A lolbertarian by his nature is not philosophically consistent. He can simultaneously argue that subsidies for his company are necessary, while arguing pork in other areas are an existential threat to the country. The amount of mental gymnastics he performs defied physics, honestly.

A libertarian is just as inconsistent upon sufficient inquiry...

That's so ridiculous as to amount to libel, and a supreme irony coming from a partisan whose only principle is to change his every position before the wind blows. The examples of that are legion.

No one who promotes or pursues any subsidies for anything more than common defense and the pursuit of justice is a libertarian.

You'd have better luck egregiously insulting your betters behind their backs than to their faces.

 

[Invisible Man]

This is a wonderful development. What this all means is that Trump is listening to the right wing more than centrists and lolbertarian spergs like Musk.

What this also shows us is that Musk is willing to lie and defame someone and call for their impeachment when his subsidies are threatened, or he is willing to cover up someone's alleged pdf file nature as long as he gets his subsidies. The mask is off both Musk and his TDS sycophants.

I think the funniest thing is when he tried to take credit for Trump's win. Trump won two races without him, he easily would have one his third.

So Trump would have "won" his third race the same way he "won" his second race, and end up not being president, if not for Musk's support? If so, that makes what Elon said correct.

 

[familydog]

That's so ridiculous as to amount to libel, and a supreme irony coming from a partisan whose only principle is to change his every position before the wind blows.

You'd have better luck egregiously insulting your betters behind their backs than to their faces.

Projection, much? I don't know if you consider yourself a libertarian or not, but regardless, you're bad faith and you have always been bad faith to me for simply having a different opinion. If you view my post history, you can plainly see that when I reply to someone, I give them the same faith they give me. You deserve nothing but bad faith in return, but I am a gracious person, so I just often ignore your replies instead.

Go touch grass once in a while. I do, which is why I've been here longer than you and have a fraction of your post count.

 

[familydog]

So Trump would have "won" his third race the same way he "won" his second race, and end up not being president, if not for Musk's support? If so, that makes what Elon said correct.

Fair enough. If you accept the results of the 2020 election at face value, I have a subscription to CNN+ I'd like to gift you.

 

[PAF]

Fair enough. If you accept the results of the 2020 election at face value, I have a subscription to CNN+ I'd like to gift you.

Elections. Fair, or not, the pitfall of this country. And you're still supporting/ranting on about them. Go figure.

 

[Invisible Man]

Fair enough. If you accept the results of the 2020 election at face value, I have a subscription to CNN+ I'd like to gift you.

Is there some way of interpreting the results of the 2020 election where we don't end up with the fact that from 2021-2025 Trump was not the President?

If that is what happens again in 2025 without Musk's help, then that means Musk was right.

 

[acptulsa]

I don't know if you consider yourself a libertarian or not...

If you think Musk considers himself a libertarian you're hallucinatory, because he has never called himself one. And if you think he is one, you don't know what a libertarian is, so it couldn't mean less to me if you think I'm a good one.

The word libertarian by definition means a person or concept that adheres to certain definite principles, and putting spy satellites in orbit for governments, and trading in carbon credits, are antithetical to all of them.

Go touch grass once in a while. I do, which is why I've been here longer than you and have a fraction of your post count.

Like dannno, you appear to be doing more with it than merely touching it. As for your post count, it's a shame the lack of quantity never improved the quality. You're a MSM parroting a bragging about being a particularly loud one. The MSM doesn't need any amplification; it can be heard without you.

 

[Invisible Man]

Libertarianism doesn't really factor into the Trump vs. Musk drama. Yes, to the extent that it's a factor at all, one would have to say that Musk is closer to libertarianism than Trump is. But then, so is almost everyone.

If ideological labels have to be applied to it, then it's a battle between Trump and his supporters, as representatives of the extreme left wing, versus Musk, who is more center-right.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I find the whole thing predictable and uninteresting. Name a single political advisor or government official that has been with Trump the whole time. I'll wait.

Exactly. And the hypocrisy from the right wing swamp media at Fox is insane.

"Trump is pure as snow, while Musk is the problem."

We are talking about Trump, the King of Personal Insults and petty feuds, and it's ALL Musk's fault.

Musk has somewhat adopted Trump's tactics (not the first time), and it's not any better than when Trump does it.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Can anyone tell me what set this off?

Musk officially left his job with Trump, freeing him up to criticize the big, bloated bill. (See OP).

After that, big egos who are used to always getting their own way have indulged in typical Trump-style insults.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Musk exposed a massive slush fund used by both Republicans and Dems.

And then he said that the Big Beautiful bill = shit.

That too. After Musk and DOGE started to reveal the real corruption, DOGE was reined in and essentially brought to a stop.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

[familydog]

Elections. Fair, or not, the pitfall of this country. And you're still supporting/ranting on about them. Go figure.

Imagine reading what I wrote and label it as ranting.

 

[familydog]

Is there some way of interpreting the results of the 2020 election where we don't end up with the fact that from 2021-2025 Trump was not the President?

If that is what happens again in 2025 without Musk's help, then that means Musk was right.

I mean, the burden of proof is on Musk to prove he got Trump elected. Mind you, he endorsed DeSantis in the primary and that campaign was the most horribly embarrassing campaign since, well, Jeb! I guess.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I mean, the burden of proof is on Musk to prove he got Trump elected. Mind you, he endorsed DeSantis in the primary and that campaign was the most horribly embarrassing campaign since, well, Jeb! I guess.

Arguments about unprovable things are the best. There is no end.

"Trump wouldn't have been elected without me!"

"I could have gotten elected without Musk. As a matter of fact, he cost me votes!"

Completely unprovable either way. Hyperbole and petty bickering.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

[unknown]

Trump could cut spending in the bill.

If he wanted to.