The Unofficial Feb 7th Results Thread

[IterTemporis]

all three counties we are losing in. sweet!

One of the campuses is located in Ramsey. We are currently winning Ramsey.

 

[opinionatedfool]

Can ANYONE, tell me how Santorum who has a much much smaller budget, has been destroyed just as bad as Ron in the last couple states and really has has only marginal coverage is about to SWEEP 2 caucus and 1 primary (which i know doesn't count), but this looks just terrible! Especially with Ron showing last in two of them.

When you aren't the status quo, it much harder to convert people. Santorum is status quo.

 

[AlienLanes82]

Can ANYONE, tell me how Santorum who has a much much smaller budget, has been destroyed just as bad as Ron in the last couple states and really has has only marginal coverage is about to SWEEP 2 caucus and 1 primary (which i know doesn't count), but this looks just terrible! Especially with Ron showing last in two of them.

Santorum has become the overwhelming choice of rural, older religious Christians, encouraged by their religious leaders, due to Romney's Mormonism (and to some degree, his plasticity) and Gingrich's moral repugnance to basically everyone regardless of age or belief.

Why not Paul? Because, "he's weak on defense", "he thinks its OK if kids blow their minds out on drugs", "he doesn't understand that abortion just needs to be illegal to be a Christian nation that God will bless", and "he doesn't understand that gay marriage will destroy the nuclear family". The answers are pretty obvious. Changing them is hard.

 

[oddtodd]

i just heard a guy on CNN say they had higher than usual turn out. evidently they all voted for santorum? wonder how many are dead people...

 

[Ronulus]

Seriously, is there one person in the forums, with an ounce of integrity, that truly believes we will win one single state? HONESTLY? We cant even win a caucus state that we are supposed to do well in! This is all just beyond pathetic at this point. 98% of the voting electorate are just too God damned stupid, and probably should not even be allowed to vote. It is just SOOOO infuriating!

I don't know what integrity I have, but nope we probably won't win a damn thing.

 

[flynn]

*snickers*

By this thinking, if it were not for Romney, Grinch, Obama, the GOP and the less educated people in America, Ron Paul would be our President.

Seriously, is there one person in the forums, with an ounce of integrity, that truly believes we will win one single state? HONESTLY? We cant even win a caucus state that we are supposed to do well in! This is all just beyond pathetic at this point. 98% of the voting electorate are just too God damned stupid, and probably should not even be allowed to vote. It is just SOOOO infuriating!

Well the democratic process is the right hand of communism precisely it presumes every man is at a same quality. It is the same reason that direct democracy government in history happened to be shortest form of system wherever.

 

[Barrex]

Regarding campuses (just to give you "flase hope"): Maybe students are coming in big crowds and jamming proces..... so actual vote counts for Paul will get better and better as time passes.

 

[kylejack]

We're winning in Scott County as well, but only 7 (yes, 7!) votes in so far.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Santorum spent 22 days in Minnesota, Missouri, and Colorado

How many days did Ron spend campaigning?

Embarrassing in Minnesota, especially after campaigning previously in the state and Rally for the Republic in Minneapolis in 2008.

 

[parocks]

That's right.

What about it?

Point was that some people are believing that college kids simply aren't going to caucus and vote in the primaries, and I'm one of them (who thinks that).

Now, I never said that none of them were going. It simply seems that where we were supposed to be strongest, we are not yet overwhelming.

The Grassroots are STUPID. They spend money on superbrochures. College Students never see those superbrochures. We - the grassroots - are spending our money on stupid stuff that doesn't work.

Take all that money. Throw it at the places where the 18-29 year olds are. Colleges are great for that, but any place where our voters are. Don't bother talking about liberty and all that. They like Ron Paul already. They don't know how to vote. They might think that the next time they vote is in November.

Target: 18-29 men
Message: Here is how you vote

What we have to understand is that we're currently spending nothing on 18-29, and we're spending a lot on "supervoters", and we're doing well with 18-29 and not well with 65+.

The superbrochures are getting to supervoters. Supervoters are never college students. I have no idea how much people spent on those. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands. All that money was not spent on 18-29s but 65+.

Can anyone name specific expenditures that hit 18-29 hard?

People seem to think oh, these 18-29s get hit hard with our money our time our effort. No, they just like Ron Paul.

Someone has to hit them hard with GOTV. And the campaign has its own GOTV, and it just misses our base. Our base isn't getting phone calls. Because our base isn't
regular voters or even supervoters. Young men who've never voted. Those guys aren't on lists. We call a ton of people from a list. That's what phone from home is. But our people aren't on that list. So we can't call them. We don't send them mail. They're invisible to us. Now, when the most active ones reach out to the campaign, we get their data. And then we get called.

 

[toast]

Looks like some news outlets (at least, Huffington Post) are already calling Minnesota for Santorum, at less than 30% reporting.

 

[ONUV]

Santorum has become the overwhelming choice of rural, older religious Christians, encouraged by their religious leaders, due to Romney's Mormonism (and to some degree, his plasticity) and Gingrich's moral repugnance to basically everyone regardless of age or belief.

Why not Paul? Because, "he's weak on defense", "he thinks its OK if kids blow their minds out on drugs", "he doesn't understand that abortion just needs to be illegal to be a Christian nation that God will bless", and "he doesn't understand that gay marriage will destroy the nuclear family". The answers are pretty obvious. Changing them is hard.

time will change this (when the older folks die off). unfortunately, by the time that happens, it may be too late.

 

[moonshine5757]

i just heard a guy on CNN say they had higher than usual turn out. evidently they all voted for santorum? wonder how many are dead people...

i wonder how many graduated high school

 

[GunnyFreedom]

i just heard a guy on CNN say they had higher than usual turn out. evidently they all voted for santorum? wonder how many are dead people...

LOL -- dead people generally vote Democrat. I think death is some kind of a life-changing experience that turns 95% of the dead demographic blue.

 

[Edu]

Did you guys just see this?

The CNN guy interviewing the officials there, they were going to take the votes out to someplace to eat and count them there! But he said they decided to count them there.

That was at about 10:24PM ET on CNN if someone is recording it.

Plus I saw some guys in the background putting stuff in or taking it out of these envelops that were holding the votes. You can't tell exactly what they are doing.

I hope Paul people are actually observing all this.

 

[bbartlog]

Maybe we can put to death this grassroots created myth that "we have the best organization" and that"organization wins caucuses" because so far, we have neither.

Consistently outperforming our polling in caucus states by 20-30% (of the poll percentage) shows that in fact we *do* have good organization. Of course that doesn't guarantee anything, but without it we would be even worse off than we are. Now, it's fair to ask how Santorum has been putting together his wins - are churches or evangelical groups working for him? Does he also have a huge phone effort? Is it just the media herding people to the polls?
And BTW I expect that these days his budget is roughly on a par with ours. Maybe very slightly less.

 

[moonshine5757]

i'm dead serious the campaign manager has to be fired tonight. who is on board with that?

 

[tbone717]

The Ron Paul campaign decided momentum wasn't important so they did nothing after NH

Hindsight is always 20/20, but you are correct. Effectively skipping SC because we wouldn't get many delegates from the state appears to be a big blunder. And frankly, I don't know what to make of our often touted organization. We've been in MN for months now. Take Cottonwood County for example, 112 people caucused out of a population of 11,687. Santorum wins it with 90 votes, we get 10 and come in 2nd. You mean to tell me that out of over 11,000 people we couldn't find 100 or so that would vote for Paul? It seems that there is massive failure in the organizational structure that you didn't have a county chairman and volunteers knocking on doors for the last 3 or 4 months generating support.

 

[Hyperion]

Santorum has become the overwhelming choice of rural, older religious Christians, encouraged by their religious leaders, due to Romney's Mormonism (and to some degree, his plasticity) and Gingrich's moral repugnance to basically everyone regardless of age or belief.

Why not Paul? Because, "he's weak on defense", "he thinks its OK if kids blow their minds out on drugs", "he doesn't understand that abortion just needs to be illegal to be a Christian nation that God will bless", and "he doesn't understand that gay marriage will destroy the nuclear family". The answers are pretty obvious. Changing them is hard.

Ultimately it's the defense issue more than any other that kills us with these voters. Many people live with an totally unsubstatiated fear of Iran and terrorists so they give their support to the most jingoistic candidate.

The other stuff Ron basically lets the states decide their policy as it should be and I think a fair number of people get that part of our movement.

 

[ssjevot]

My brother said 5 of the 6 delegates in his precinct were for Paul.