The Threat of Iran and Ahmendinajads Power

[The_Orlonater]

Let's bomb the whole MIDDLE EAST. Let's wipe them off the mat, and turn it into the world's largest parking lot! Let's paint it with stars and stripes too! Fuck those ha*jis and those k*kes!







(Hint: sarcasm)

 

[Melissa]

Makes me think of a remark that someone made (sorry can't give credit because I don't remember who said it) but it was something to the effect of:

Dr. Paul is the only one running for the President of the United States all other candidates are running for the Leader of the Free World

when you start to think about this it is profound and scary

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Makes me think of a remark that someone made (sorry can't give credit because I don't remember who said it) but it was something to the effect of:

Dr. Paul is the only one running for the President of the United States all other candidates are running for the Leader of the Free World

when you start to think about this it is profound and scary

I believe you are right, baby.

 

[Charles Wilson]

Makes me think of a remark that someone made (sorry can't give credit because I don't remember who said it) but it was something to the effect of:

Dr. Paul is the only one running for the President of the United States all other candidates are running for the Leader of the Free World

when you start to think about this it is profound and scary

+1

 

[nobody's_hero]

I've got no problem with Israel.

I've got no problem with Iran.

I just take a moment to realize that both of their governments lie to and instill fear in their people much the same way ours does to the American people.

Nothing but a couple of hot heads in high positions. I don't doubt for a second that there's a "Ron Paul" in each of those countries trying to break into the mainstream.

 

[auctionguy10]

Iran is not going to nuke israel- that's absolutely insane. The whole "wipe israel off the map" thing has been circulated for way too long- you can't even say that line in Farsi that way. What he was talking about was that Israel would come to a collapse like the Soviet Union did(internal collapse).

Again, Iran is no threat- they don't invade and bomb defenseless countries, nor do they occupy any territory. Israel has been the most dangerous country in the middle east for years and they already HAVE nukes and WMD. Why not talk about the fact that Israel may nuke one of its neighbors? Either way, its none of our business in the first place.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

I've got no problem with Israel.

I've got no problem with Iran.

I just take a moment to realize that both of their governments lie to and instill fear in their people much the same way ours does to the American people.

Nothing but a couple of hot heads in high positions. I don't doubt for a second that there's a "Ron Paul" in each of those countries trying to break into the mainstream.

+1.

Isn't it odd how 0.0001 percent of the world's population causes 99.9999 percent of the conflicts? They're called leaders

 

[SeanEdwards]

Again, Iran is no threat- they don't invade and bomb defenseless countries, nor do they occupy any territory. .

That's going a bit far. They do in fact fund and encourage movments such as hezbollah, that act as proxies for their agenda. I don't think those groups are a significant threat to the U.S., but they are a threat to Israel and Lebanon, in their way. And they can be a threat to the U.S., when they want to be, such as when they sponsored the massive attack on the U.S. Marine compound in Beirut.

Just saying, they ain't saints, and their capability to cause harm deserves respect. Which doesn't mean we have to bomb Iran because of hezbollah, but you shouldn't put the Iranian regime on some virtuous pedestal. There are no good guys.

Except for maybe the Swiss.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

That's going a bit far. They do in fact fund and encourage movments such as hezbollah, that act as proxies for their agenda. I don't think those groups are a significant threat to the U.S., but they are a threat to Israel and Lebanon, in their way. And they can be a threat to the U.S., when they want to be, such as when they sponsored the massive attack on the U.S. Marine compound in Beirut.

Just saying, they ain't saints, and their capability to cause harm deserves respect. Which doesn't mean we have to bomb Iran because of hezbollah, but you shouldn't put the Iranian regime on some virtuous pedestal. There are no good guys.

Except for maybe the Swiss.

+1

 

[auctionguy10]

That's going a bit far. They do in fact fund and encourage movments such as hezbollah, that act as proxies for their agenda. I don't think those groups are a significant threat to the U.S., but they are a threat to Israel and Lebanon, in their way. And they can be a threat to the U.S., when they want to be, such as when they sponsored the massive attack on the U.S. Marine compound in Beirut.

Hezbollah isn't a threat to Lebanon, they ARE Lebanon. The official lebanese military was useless in the 2006 war against Israel whereas Hezbollah wasn't. The US shouldn't have had any involvement in beirut at that particular time in the first place- not saying that the attack wasn't a tragedy but when you go into the Lion's den you should expect something to happen. Hezbollah is only a threat to Israel because Israel is a threat to Lebanon and has been for decades. But my main point is that Iran is no threat to the United States of America, and again, never will be.

Just saying, they ain't saints, and their capability to cause harm deserves respect. Which doesn't mean we have to bomb Iran because of hezbollah, but you shouldn't put the Iranian regime on some virtuous pedestal. There are no good guys.

Except for maybe the Swiss.

I didn't say lets put them on some virtuous pedestal- no government in general should be put on that level.

 

[Kraig]

That's going a bit far. They do in fact fund and encourage movments such as hezbollah, that act as proxies for their agenda. I don't think those groups are a significant threat to the U.S., but they are a threat to Israel and Lebanon, in their way. And they can be a threat to the U.S., when they want to be, such as when they sponsored the massive attack on the U.S. Marine compound in Beirut.

That's true but what's also true is these things are only a threat to us because we have chosen a side. If it were not for our entangling alliance with Israel as well as military bases throughout the middle east we would be just another uninvolved country watching from the other side fo the world.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Hezbollah isn't a threat to Lebanon, they ARE Lebanon.

They are one of the many factions within Lebanon, and an influential one. But I kind of have doubts that the Lebanese Christians think Hezbollah represents their interests.

The official lebanese military was useless in the 2006 war against Israel whereas Hezbollah wasn't.

Um, that was a battle between the IDF and Hezbollah. The national Lebanese military wasn't involved at all. Though I recall that they complained when one of their army barracks got hit by a stray shell.

This is nothing new for Lebanon. It's been a crazy patchwork of armed factions for decades.

The US shouldn't have had any involvement in beirut at that particular time in the first place- not saying that the attack wasn't a tragedy but when you go into the Lion's den you should expect something to happen.

Maybe so, but my point was that hezbollah are capable of doing damage when they feel like it, and they should not be dismissed as helpless and incapable of causing harm. And that they are a proxy force for Iran, and represent Iran's method of projecting power and influence in the region.

Hezbollah is only a threat to Israel because Israel is a threat to Lebanon and has been for decades. But my main point is that Iran is no threat to the United States of America, and again, never will be.

Guess we'll have to disagree on that. I think they do have characters that have a revolutionary islamist agenda, that they'd love to spread throughout the region if they could get away with it. And I think they're a real threat to israel, no matter what Israel does. They just don't like Israelis or the Israeli state, and if Israel never said boo or did anything to Lebanon, there'd still be hezbollah fanatics stirring up shit. That's what they do. Try to remember that that last fight between the IDF and hezbollah was ignited by a cross border raid of hezbollah fighters killing and capturing israelis on the israel side of the lebanon/israel border.

 

[SeanEdwards]

That's true but what's also true is these things are only a threat to us because we have chosen a side. If it were not for our entangling alliance with Israel as well as military bases throughout the middle east we would be just another uninvolved country watching from the other side fo the world.

That seems logical.

However, we are right now so dependent on oil exports from the gulf, that I don't see how we can simply ignore what goes on in that region. If we had some energy independence then we could probably turn our backs on the whole area without a problem. Sort of how we turn our backs on the resourceless conflict areas of Africa.

 

[Zolah]

They are one of the many factions within Lebanon, and an influential one. But I kind of have doubts that the Lebanese Christians think Hezbollah represents their interests.

Hezbollah is popular among the Lebanese Christians I know, they are seen not necessarily as representing Lebanon itself, but most definitely as representing the protection of Lebanon from American influence (Bush actively funds anti-Hezbollah factions and supports the pro-west parties of course).

Guess we'll have to disagree on that. I think they do have characters that have a revolutionary islamist agenda, that they'd love to spread throughout the region if they could get away with it. And I think they're a real threat to israel, no matter what Israel does. They just don't like Israelis or the Israeli state, and if Israel never said boo or did anything to Lebanon, there'd still be hezbollah fanatics stirring up shit. That's what they do. Try to remember that that last fight between the IDF and hezbollah was ignited by a cross border raid of hezbollah fighters killing and capturing israelis on the israel side of the lebanon/israel border.

I think you're right that there are extremists in Hezbollah, etc. and that they manipulate the situation of the dangers to Lebanon and the Lebanese for their own agenda to an extent - I am by no means all in favour of Hezbollah myself, they have done so much wrong (besides the extremism), but they will remain popular, and large, active because they are seen as best representing Lebanon from foreign influence, whether that is correct or not that is why they are popular.

Problems arise when the Bushes of the world believe the best way to get rid of Hezbollah is to fund their opponents, and other such counter-productive activities meant to undermine the influence of Hezbollah. Will shorten my point to being that what I believe the best way to get rid of Hezbollah is to understand all the reasons that they are popular and work towards there being less hostility and thus less reason for Hezbollah to be active. I.e when Bush stops trying to buy support in Lebanon, less people will be worried about puppet governments running the lives of the Lebanese and will have less reason to support Hezbollah, and more peaceful+better parties will gain support. Confrontational efforts to undermine the factions Bush doesn't like have the opposite effect though - they increase the support of such factions, adds fuel to the fire as such.

And I agree with your other points, you're mostly right I believe, I would say however that with the start of the 2006 war, that the cross-border attack wasn't out of the blue, it was a response to what Israel had been doing, which itself was response to what was being doing against Israel, ad infinitum, I genuinely don't think either side can put more blame on the other side.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

That's true but what's also true is these things are only a threat to us because we have chosen a side. If it were not for our entangling alliance with Israel as well as military bases throughout the middle east we would be just another uninvolved country watching from the other side of the world.

Russia, China, & Israel are laughing all the way to the Bank. Either because they're Making Money or Saving money because of U.S Foreign Policy/AID and Puppeteer control from Special Interest. Let's spend on every Alarm we create!

Too Bad the Average Americans have to pay dearly with Massive Debt and Government Imposed Inflation Taxes to feed their Crack Additions to Empire Building and Sleeper Cells within CONGRESS and the State Dept.

How those Israeli Missile firings going?

 

[The_Orlonater]

Russia, China, & Israel are laughing all the way to the Bank. Either because they're Making Money or Saving money because of U.S Foreign Policy/AID and Puppeteer control from Special Interest. Let's spend on every Alarm we create!

Too Bad the Average Americans have to pay dearly with Massive Debt and Government Imposed Inflation Taxes to feed their Crack Additions to Empire Building and Sleeper Cells within CONGRESS and the State Dept.

How those Israeli Missile firings going?

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