The Taliban is 'hunting down informants' named on Wikileaks

[BlackTerrel]

Of course I don't want it.
I would like our military brought home, then disbanded.

never get what I want anyway, so it's irrelevant.

but,,
Would it be better for the US to suffer 100,000 casualties to save the lives of several Million children?
It's a triage thing.

Is that the trade - Either 100,000 Americans die or millions of children die? Is that a non sequitor or you really believe these are the options?

 

[pcosmar]

Is that the trade - Either 100,000 Americans die or millions of children die? Is that a non sequitor or you really believe these are the options?

Well tell me then,
Just what will it take for the US military to stop killing Millions of Children around the world?

What I said is that a massive defeat of US military might make the people of this country rethink this madness.
Nothing else seems to get through to them.

Given the options.. it would be the lesser evil.

 

[charrob]

just curious

question: along time ago, after 9/11,

• the U.S. asked the Taliban to hand over Osama Bin Laden.
• the Taliban answered they would hand over Bin Laden provided the U.S. give evidence that Bin Laden was involved in the attacks on the WTC.
• the U.S. decided not to hand over the evidence (whatever that may be).
  

Question1: Why didn't the U.S. hand over the evidence rather than attacking Afghanistan?

Question2: Does anyone know what that evidence is?

Question3: Is there any proof that the Taliban even knew Al Quaeda in Afghanistan was planning an attack on the U.S. (I've read the training camps purpose was in their war with India)? Could they possibly be innocent of having known any of this?

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

Well tell me then,
Just what will it take for the US military to stop killing Millions of Children around the world?

What I said is that a massive defeat of US military might make the people of this country rethink this madness.
Nothing else seems to get through to them.

Given the options.. it would be the lesser evil.

Word to the wise: try to avoid hyperbole/exaggerations when making these arguments. I agree with the crux of what you're saying, but the "millions," figure is kind of a stretch. Unless you're counting all the American wars since World War 2, and even then I'd have a hard time buying it.

"hundreds of thousands" does the trick just fine

 

[amy31416]

Word to the wise: try to avoid hyperbole/exaggerations when making these arguments. I agree with the crux of what you're saying, but the "millions," figure is kind of a stretch. Unless you're counting all the American wars since World War 2, and even then I'd have a hard time buying it.

"hundreds of thousands" does the trick just fine

Isn't it common knowledge that over a million Iraqi children died just from our implementation of sanctions alone, much less our actual invasion?

http://reason.com/archives/2002/03/01/the-politics-of-dead-children

 

[charrob]

Word to the wise: try to avoid hyperbole/exaggerations when making these arguments. I agree with the crux of what you're saying, but the "millions," figure is kind of a stretch. Unless you're counting all the American wars since World War 2, and even then I'd have a hard time buying it.

"hundreds of thousands" does the trick just fine

i've read 2 million iraqi's died from Clinton's sanctions, and that 1 million have died since the war started in their country in 2003.

 

[pcosmar]

Word to the wise: try to avoid hyperbole/exaggerations when making these arguments. I agree with the crux of what you're saying, but the "millions," figure is kind of a stretch. Unless you're counting all the American wars since World War 2, and even then I'd have a hard time buying it.

"hundreds of thousands" does the trick just fine

Millions is the reality.
One of the things that the leaked documents shows is the discrepancy in reporting civilian casualties. And it is not just the bullets and bombs, but those displaced and starving as a result of "our" actions.
Those that died as a result of sanctions before the war in Iraq was estimated at a million.
It will likely be many years after it is over before even a close estimate can be done. and that is just Iraq.
That does not even get to Afghanistan, Pakistan or any undisclosed actions in surrounding areas.
From the Russian adventure there though,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

Estimates of the Afghan deaths vary from 100,000[85] to 1 million.[86] 5 million Afghans fled to Pakistan and Iran, 1/3 of the prewar population of the country. Another 2 million Afghans were displaced within the country. In the 1980s, half of all refugees in the world were Afghan.[87]

Along with fatalities were 1.2 million Afghans disabled (mujahideen, government soldiers and noncombatants) and 3 million maimed or wounded (primarily noncombatants).[88]

As I said. Millions
I do not exaggerate.


and the bottom line, For What Purpose?

 

[amy31416]

Just struck me how horrible it is that we're nitpicking over the number of children we've killed.

Jesus Christ.

 

[pcosmar]

Just struck me how horrible it is that we're nitpicking over the number of children we've killed.

Jesus Christ.

I am not picking nits.
I AM thoroughly disgusted.

 

[amy31416]

I am not picking nits.
I AM thoroughly disgusted.

Yeah. I know.

And I'm sure that "thoroughly disgusted" is putting it mildly.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

i've read 2 million iraqi's died from Clinton's sanctions, and that 1 million have died since the war started in their country in 2003.

Though that was an act of war, and disgusting, you're proving my point: sanctions weren't a military operation, and millions of Iraqis died, not necessarily millions of children

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

Millions is the reality.
One of the things that the leaked documents shows is the discrepancy in reporting civilian casualties. And it is not just the bullets and bombs, but those displaced and starving as a result of "our" actions.
Those that died as a result of sanctions before the war in Iraq was estimated at a million.
It will likely be many years after it is over before even a close estimate can be done. and that is just Iraq.
That does not even get to Afghanistan, Pakistan or any undisclosed actions in surrounding areas.
From the Russian adventure there though,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan


As I said. Millions
I do not exaggerate.


and the bottom line, For What Purpose?

Let's say that the highest estimate, 1 million, is true. In order for your claim to be true, all million of those would have to be kids.

 

[amy31416]

Though that was an act of war, and disgusting, you're proving my point: sanctions weren't a military operation, and millions of Iraqis died, not necessarily millions of children

Mmm. Okay. Children are more valuable than adults (and more malleable), so it's okay to kill the adults who might have the wherewithal to fight back?

Wait, what's your point?

 

[amy31416]

Let's say that the highest estimate, 1 million, is true. In order for your claim to be true, all million of those would have to be kids.

What number would make you give a shit that this is being done in our name? 2.5 million? One?

 

[Danke]

I thought I heard it was only 980,003 dead kids...

 

[pcosmar]

Let's say that the highest estimate, 1 million, is true. In order for your claim to be true, all million of those would have to be kids.

Despite it pissing me off even more to give it more thought.
And since you seem incapable of it,

The "estimated" Million prior to the second war in Iraq due to the sanctions were mostly children.
Estimates vary, in the years since, 8 years since Shock and Awe, Was there ever and accurate count of civilian body parts after that?
I have heard wide ranging estimates, but 1.5 to 2 million is not on the high side. IF only half of them were"children" there is your million.
Now start adding in Afghanistan, and Pakistan and just how many Wedding parties and Funerals have we bombed?
How many times have the troops dug bullets out of bodies? that they didn't get caught at?
How many Blackhawks shot up how many vans of school children?

It ain't a nice picture.

 

[specsaregood]

Though that was an act of war, and disgusting, you're proving my point: sanctions weren't a military operation,

How exactly do you think sanctions are enforced? They put fuzzy kittens on the border?

 

[amy31416]

I thought I heard it was only 980,003 dead kids...

Phew! For a while there I thought our government was evil... .......

 

[pcosmar]

The point is being missed

Missing the point.
Folks here.
The MSM
The American people.
Everyone is missing the point of the information that was leaked.
It is being derailed into concerns for the snitches and collaborators, or for the troops that should not even be there.
The point is, The Total Failure Of the Foreign Policy that has us involved.
The other point is, the Utter Incompetence and Tactical Stupidity of those in command.

These points are being overlooked while folks argue over non existent threats to people that put themselves in that position.

 

[amy31416]

Missing the point.
Folks here.
The MSM
The American people.
Everyone is missing the point of the information that was leaked.
It is being derailed into concerns for the snitches and collaborators, or for the troops that should not even be there.
The point is, The Total Failure Of the Foreign Policy that has us involved.
The other point is, the Utter Incompetence and Tactical Stupidity of those in command.

These points are being overlooked while folks argue over non existent threats to people that put themselves in that position.

The only point for me is that we're dealing with some evil/disgusting folks in our government who are doing these things.

And we're the only ones who can actually end it....