The Taliban is 'hunting down informants' named on Wikileaks

[pcosmar]

The only point for me is that we're dealing with some evil/disgusting folks in our government who are doing these things.

And we're the only ones who can actually end it....

I am more hopeful of that Meteor hitting D.C.

 

[amy31416]

I am more hopeful of that Meteor hitting D.C.

Yep.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Well tell me then,
Just what will it take for the US military to stop killing Millions of Children around the world?

What I said is that a massive defeat of US military might make the people of this country rethink this madness.
Nothing else seems to get through to them.

Given the options.. it would be the lesser evil.

So given the options that you believe exist the option you choose is for hundreds of thousands of Americans soldiers to die.

Yeah I'm going to disagree with you strongly. Considering a number of those hundreds of thousands are friends and family of mine I value their lives quite highly. And if this guy put them at risk then he needs to be tried for treason.

BTW this is precisely one of the reasons why this movement stays relatively small.

 

[pcosmar]

So given the options that you believe exist the option you choose is for hundreds of thousands of Americans soldiers to die.

Yeah I'm going to disagree with you strongly. Considering a number of those hundreds of thousands are friends and family of mine I value their lives quite highly. And if this guy put them at risk then he needs to be tried for treason.

BTW this is precisely one of the reasons why this movement stays relatively small.

I am saying that it would be the lesser of two evils. Yes.
I would rather see them brought home yesterday.

Though that Blackhawk pilot, piece of shit, I would love to see blown from the sky and scattered to the four winds.
There are no doubt more like him that would be best NOT to have around.

 

[farrar]

You know I have family who have been and are deployed abroad, and any compromise of their security ought to be tried with charges of treason. However, I, like few others arguing here, have read and continue to read the reports and there apears to be no security compromise what so ever. Its mostly as I predicted when I first heard of the leaks. (here is an abridged mock sample) If you want the real deal you know where to go:

Date: June 18th, 2007
Killed Wounded

0 US 1 US
6 Taliban 0 Taliban
4 Civilians 12 Civilians
0 Allies 0 Allies

coordinates: x,y

Summary:
There was a fray in the streets, multiple civilians caught in crossfire. Targets neutralized.
____________________________

believe it or not, the above doesn't really compromise security any more than google earth or the general media to begin with. Many more are even less revealing than that, reporting grafiti or propoganda posted on a mosque... thats not much of a security compromise either. I truley believe, that unless your amoung the federal beurocracy or military operation leaders saving face, anyone who reads these documents will release how silly it is to assume any true security risk to our soldiers.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

What number would make you give a shit that this is being done in our name? 2.5 million? One?

I care as much as anyone. I despise our foreign policy.

But pulling numbers out of your ass, throwing "millions" around as if the U.S. is commiting a holocaust every month, gets us nowhere. Not to mention it's inaccurate. You don't have to exaggerate...the real numbers are horrific enough

 

[pcosmar]

You know I have family who have been and are deployed abroad, and any compromise of their security ought to be tried with charges of treason. However, I, like few others arguing here, have read and continue to read the reports and there apears to be no security compromise what so ever. Its mostly as I predicted when I first heard of the leaks. (here is an abridged mock sample) If you want the real deal you know where to go:

Date: June 18th, 2007
Killed Wounded

0 US 1 US
6 Taliban 0 Taliban
4 Civilians 12 Civilians
0 Allies 0 Allies

coordinates: x,y

Summary:
There was a fray in the streets, multiple civilians caught in crossfire. Targets neutralized.
____________________________

believe it or not, the above doesn't really compromise security any more than google earth or the general media to begin with. Many more are even less revealing than that, reporting grafiti or propoganda posted on a mosque... thats not much of a security compromise either. I truley believe, that unless your amoung the federal beurocracy or military operation leaders saving face, anyone who reads these documents will release how silly it is to assume any true security risk to our soldiers.

Well the Civilian casualties ARE the issue, but was that an action involving the Task Force 373?
And just how are "Taliban" Identified ? do they have a uniform? dog tags?
How can you tell them from say, a local militia? or other private citizens protecting their interests?

That was one of the issues of interest that Julian spoke of in a recent interview.

 

[amy31416]

I care as much as anyone. I despise our foreign policy.

But pulling numbers out of your ass, throwing "millions" around as if the U.S. is commiting a holocaust every month, gets us nowhere. Not to mention it's inaccurate. You don't have to exaggerate...the real numbers are horrific enough

I did not "pull numbers out of my ass," it was sourced.

You need more sources? There's thousands out there. Learn how to fucking use google.

 

[American Nationalist]

Might I be the first (?) to humbly suggest that you abandon ronpaulforums. I really feel you'd be much more at home at a site such as

rightwingracistreactionarynutjobs.com

Just a thought.

I didn't realize that the all of RonPaulForums supported Treasonists, and just because you are, doesn't make the rest of the people so. You don't get to speak for everyone. And I support Ron Paul because I love my country and want a strong military, I want to preserve the country I love, not hurt my cousin and all those serving us

 

[American Nationalist]

lolz@ fundamental misunderstanding of treason.

You are such a prick, and a pseudo-intellectual snob. Just because you support a traitor, doesn't make you smarter than me. I suggest you read Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution, because you clearly haven't read it.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

 

[American Nationalist]

Nice to know that the Stormfronter is on the side of the Neocons:

Immigration is an entirely different issue, and has nothing to do with PFC Manning committing Treason. And believe me, my immigration view is not just a stormfront view, it is one held by most Americans, including me, who are not members of stormfront. If you want to make America Mexico City or Kandahar, how about you move to those places instead?

 

[specsaregood]

I didn't realize that the all of RonPaulForums supported Treasonists, and just because you are, doesn't make the rest of the people so.

This country was founded by people committing treason. I take it you would be one of the people rooting for the british.

 

[RM918]

It does seem rather curious the Taliban would say something like this. I mean, don't they want us to leave? That's kind of the point, so why would they deliberately say something that would harm groups that are exposing information so as to try to get us out? Isn't that rather stupid of them? I mean, even if it were true, Wikileaks 'helped' them so why would they say something so obviously targeted to damage that organization? I don't think you survive a decade against the strongest military power in the world by being a complete and utter idiot.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

You are such a prick, and a pseudo-intellectual snob. Just because you support a traitor, doesn't make you smarter than me. I suggest you read Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution, because you clearly haven't read it.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

Would you not agree that this would only apply to properly declared, constitutional wars?

 

[RM918]

Would you not agree that this would only apply to properly declared, constitutional wars?

Exactly. If this guy were exposing sensitive intelligence about wars that were actually necessary to the defense of this nation, I'd see where the anger can come from. It's the people providing aide and comfort to the greatest threat America has, the U.S. government, that ought to be called traitors.

 

[AmericaFyeah92]

It does seem rather curious the Taliban would say something like this. I mean, don't they want us to leave? That's kind of the point, so why would they deliberately say something that would harm groups that are exposing information so as to try to get us out? Isn't that rather stupid of them? I mean, even if it were true, Wikileaks 'helped' them so why would they say something so obviously targeted to damage that organization? I don't think you survive a decade against the strongest military power in the world by being a complete and utter

Also, why would they warn the informants ahead of time?

 

[chudrockz]

Immigration is an entirely different issue, and has nothing to do with PFC Manning committing Treason. And believe me, my immigration view is not just a stormfront view, it is one held by most Americans, including me, who are not members of stormfront. If you want to make America Mexico City or Kandahar, how about you move to those places instead?

 

[LibertyEagle]

This whole conversation has turned into something rather perverse. Personally, I don't want any of our soldiers killed; nor do I want children killed. But, I do realize that both will happen in a war.

If someone pulled a Jane Fonda and put our soldiers in harm's way, well, I'm not too fond of them. Regardless of whether I agree with this war or not and of course, I do not. Wishing harm upon our soldiers is rather repulsive, not to mention it's not the way to stop this war. It also reflects very badly upon Ron Paul and the principles upon which I thought most of us stood.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I want our troops in harms way. A nice bullet to the brain might teach someone not to go running around in another man's country like he owns the place.

 

[pcosmar]

This whole conversation has turned into something rather perverse. Personally, I don't want any of our soldiers killed; nor do I want children killed. But, I do realize that both will happen in a war.

If someone pulled a Jane Fonda and put our soldiers in harm's way, well, I'm not too fond of them. Regardless of whether I agree with this war or not and of course, I do not. Wishing harm upon our soldiers is rather repulsive, not to mention it's not the way to stop this war. It also reflects very badly upon Ron Paul and the principles upon which I thought most of us stood.

No the issue is people twisting what was said into something completely different.
The fact of the matter is that NO Names were released, No security has been jeopardized.
But, The official story and Propaganda line has been hurt.
The civilian deaths and Political Assassination Squads are are public. Therefore the Govt. Spin is working overtime to downplay that, and to create another false BoggieMan.

And the Media is complicit, just as they were when covering up the Civilian Casualties, or lack of any purpose for even being in the country at all.

What WILL it take to get us out of there?


This whole conversation turned"Perverse", when some took exception to this post. #92
Made in some frustration, after dealing with obtuse trolls.

Maybe instead of bitching government should have made this information available them selves vetted not to reveal the informants.

Maybe if the government was anything near honest we wouldn't be there at all.

Maybe if
Maybe if,,,

Maybe if we suffered some truly massive defeats (and loss of lives,unfortunately) the people of this country would be outraged enough to demand an end to this madness.

Maybe if,,