The scariest candidate? Not who I thought it would be.

[jolynna]

Romney doesn't scare me because his presidency would be the same as Obama's. I DON'T want another Obama term, but I know what it is like at least.

Gingrich is on a completely different level of scary. He is smart evil. If he won we would know what it is like to have a super villian as president and it wouldn't be pretty.

Santorum scares me, but not as much because his says way too many idiotic things to ever get enough support to enter the white house. He is more like stupid evil, although his presidency might be scarier than a gingrich presidency. We might have a theocracy under him and I'd end up hanging out with you guys in some re-education camp. He is basically an admitted fascist. But unlike Gingrich and Romney supporting fascist policies to help special interests and their own personal lust for power, Santorum seems to be more of a true believer when it comes to fascism.


I generally long considered Santorum to be the scariest in the sense of if he was actually president. As a Pennsylvanian I just figured people wouldn't fall for his idiocy and long considered him to have absolutely no shot of doing well considering his insane views. I guess I was wrong. Those poor, poor souls that are supporting him...

If things were going to be the way they have always been, I'd say you were right.

Should the world go the way many smart people say it will, it is URGENT that we have a leader in charge who will NOT sign bills that give away your right to demand a search warrant, that would NEVER detain you without cause and that WOULD FIGHT for your right to free speech...NOT GIVE IT AWAY.

Liberties given away, you NEVER get back.

 

[jolynna]

The mere fact that Paul has attacked Cain, Newt, and Santorum, but not Romney, in the debates shows me that he finds them more reprehensibile for some reason.

Based on my own instinct, I find Newt the worst, followed by Santorum, Obama (because it will be his second term so he will not worry about re-election), and Romney. Even though the big money is on Romney, he doesn't seem as evil as the others.

He doesn't seem as evil for all the reasons that Obama doesn't seem evil. He's oily and slick. Manners HIDE a lot.

Romney is dangerous for all of the reasons that Obama is, position wise they are the same animals, bought by the same crew and both can be counted on to continue with the wars, the banking scam, looting the treasury and doing away with constitutional rights.

If Ron Paul isn't attacking, maybe he is not antagonizing him for the end game when deals are made and is putting himself in position to get S0METHING should he not be the nominee. I can't begin to guess. I just know that Paul and Romney are polar opposites on EVERY ISSUE. Even on small government which Newt and Santorum, at least, PRETEND, they believe in. I believe that Ron Paul MORE THAN ON ANY OTHER ISSUE....TREASURES AND FIGHTS FOR OUR LIBERTY. The very same liberty that Romney so freely and admittedly is tossing it OUT with a TRUST ME? Not sure why Paul isn't saying more, but it CANNOT BE because he hasn't noticed.

On human rights and freedoms, Romney is a very, very dangerous man. He has NO moral core. When times get tough, that is the WORST kind of person to have in charge.

 

[lilymc]

The scariest candidate is the one supported by Wall Street. Money is what makes the world run.

Wall Street bought Obama, who went from an anti-war stance, to committing war crimes on par with George W. Bush...the one who gave us the patriot act.

Harvard-educated and gentle peacenik Obama, made Bush look like a member of the UCLA when he followed the Patriot Act with the much more dangerous NDAA and ACTA. He put Bush to shame in his zeal and skill at killing Muslims. (If Bush had signed NDAA or killed as many Muslims in as many places, the progressives would have been up in arms. Especially the liberal media...NO...killing people who happen to live where the oil is, happens "FOR OUR OWN GOOD"...is perfectly fine with the "toppest prog of the top progs.." Every last one of them, that at ONE TIME KNEW BETTER, should be hanging their heads in shame!)

Romney is the ONLY candidate to flat-out say he supports NDAA and he EVEN thinks Obama is TOO timid with the killing. He plans to add 100,000 active duty military, he plans to add more ships, he says he will build more planes. For WHAT? We have a larger military than all of the rest of the world COMBINED.

Why do ya'll think the media (owned lock stock and barrel by the guys who bought Obama and NOW Romney) are going foaming-mouth-mad every time ANY candidate other than their boy, Romney, comes out on the top of a poll?

Who cares how meed Romney looks. Obama and his cute family look harmless too.

Ask the soldiers who bury the dead because of the senseless wars how harmless Obama is. Ask the brown-skinned people whose mothers, wives, chidren, husbands, fathers and grandfathers became "collateral damage" due to a bomb that missed or a drone, how harmless our well-spoken, well-educated presidents is?

Don't let the looks and rhetoric fool you people. Follow the money. That is where the GREATEST threat to our FREEDOM lies.

Romney: "Obama has done a LOT of things wrong, BUT I don't think he is going to ABUSE this power. And when I am president I WON'T ABUSE this power."​

Then WHY have such a law exist? WHY would ANY law which gives Obama OR any OTHER PRESIDENT authority to ABUSE exist? EVER? EVER? Unless you intend to abuse.

When somebody says, "Trust me. DON'T."

He ISN'T EVEN HIDING HIS INTENT. ZeroHedge said this first and it is SOOOOO worth repeating, America deserves whichever president it gets.

If superficial looks and a nicey-nice way of talking make the most blood thirsty look palatable to you...I just don't know what to say. Again, Follow the money.

I agree. He is a wall street puppet, and imo he seems to have the characteristics of a sociopath. He doesn't seem to have any shame or guilt over saying one thing, then turning around and saying the complete opposite, and blatant lying and supporting completely unconstitutional positions while simultaneously claiming to be a conservative.

 

[kahless]

In my life time, Rick Santorum has to be the most scariest foreign policy candidate.

My foreign policy order of scariness. Highest number being the most scariest of candidate.

1. Rick Santorum 50%
2. Newt Gingrich, 27%
3. Mitt Romney, 23%

Domestic policy order of scariness.

1. Newt Gingrich, 41%
2. Mitt Romney, 39%
3. Rick Santorum, 20%

Average
1. Santorum, 35%
2. Gingrich, 34%
3. Romney, 31%

With these numbers it is impossible for me to make a choice with all the negatives each of them have. If Ron was not in the race it would be an easy choice to have to vote for CP or LP.

 

[Mattsa]

I never would have put Mitt Romney in the "scary" department. He may (if he could actually beat Obama) continue more of the same but I don't put him in the scary department. A week ago I probably would have said Newt Gingrich, but that no longer holds true. I mean, you know, he is scary but to my surprise, not the most scary. It actually turns out to be Rick Santorum. After watching the last two debates that man scares the living bejeesus out of me. I never saw someone so paranoid running for president (well, SERIOUSLY running for president) as this guy. After hearing him drone on about Cuba and Venezuela, etc... and their ties to Iran and him making it seem like there is a Muslim terrorist under every rock on the planet, just waiting to bomb the shit out of us or something - he wins the honors.

We all know that Newt can't beat Obama. And I'd say we're all just as certain that Santorum can't but if it actually came to pass - I would have to leave the freaking country. He and Congress would lock this country down so tight he'd make Stalin jealous. And even then, I don't know if there would be a safe place on the globe outside of the Antarctic.

I took an oath to vote for only Ron Paul but if Santorum one the nomination (by some slip in the multiverse or something) I would HAVE to vote for Obama just to ensure 100% that this nutjob never gets the office.

Relax

Santorum is a busted flush. He doesn't have the cash, the people on the ground or the grassroots support after Florida to win doodly squat.

The GOP establishment seem to hate Gingrich almost as much as they hate Ron.

My money is on Romney for the nomination but it really doesn't matter.

Ron Paul has won the ideological argument hands down and the future belongs to a libertarian philosophy.

Ron Paul will go down in history as one of the greatest Americans ever. America will rise from the ashes thanks to Ron Paul.

 

[unknown]

Very true.

On the scary scale, Romney is the least scary. Hes just a hypocritical flip flopping liar with no soul.

Its clearly between Newt and Santorum. Theyre both effing scary. Newt with his death penalty for anyone smoking weed and Santorum with his Hitleresque kill everyone mentality.

IMO, very difficult to decide whos more scary.

 

[pen_thief]

I think Santorum has a Chihuahua complex. "Listen to me! I matter!! I could terrible things to you if I wanted!!!"

I think Gingrich should be the first one to go to the moon. He can just stay there with his wife so her deranged smile doesn't frighten any more children.*

Romney is tolerable, but you know he's got a pricetag and his puppet strings are practically showing already.

In summation, NOBP!





*I'm an adult and I was frightened. Just saying.

 

[trey4sports]

oh yeah, Rick is definitely the worst.

He checks under his bed for muslims before he goes to bed every night.

 

[kahless]

Very true.

On the scary scale, Romney is the least scary. Hes just a hypocritical flip flopping liar with no soul.

Its clearly between Newt and Santorum. Theyre both effing scary. Newt with his death penalty for anyone smoking weed and Santorum with his Hitleresque kill everyone mentality.

IMO, very difficult to decide whos more scary.

Oddly, Santorum on my list comes in the least scary on domestic policy. But averaging both his domestic and foreign policy he still comes out on top as the most scariest candidate.

 

[Lisa100]

He doesn't seem as evil for all the reasons that Obama doesn't seem evil. He's oily and slick. Manners HIDE a lot.

Romney is dangerous for all of the reasons that Obama is, position wise they are the same animals, bought by the same crew and both can be counted on to continue with the wars, the banking scam, looting the treasury and doing away with constitutional rights.

If Ron Paul isn't attacking, maybe he is not antagonizing him for the end game when deals are made and is putting himself in position to get the most for support he may OR MAY NOT give. Not sure about anything except that Dr. Paul in order to get bills passed he believes in and to do his job has probably had to hold his nose and be nice because strategically it would get him what he wanted better than a flat out assault. I don't know what Ron Paul's reasoning is. I just know that Paul and Romney are polar opposites on EVERY ISSUE. Even on small government which Newt and Santorum, at least, PRETEND, they believe in.

What I do know is that on the ISSUES, especially the issues that concern human rights and freedoms, Romney is a very, very dangerous man. Just like Obama is.

I agree that Romney is very dangerous. I was just comparing him to the other creepy people. Obviously, no one compares to Paul. But I don't see Romney in the same league as Obama in terms of being a snake oil salesman with a chip on his shoulder and being as much of a phony. The bottom line is that neither Romney or Obama have any principles, but Obama was able to mesmerize people into thinking he is some kind of messiah, and Romney can't do that, so that alone makes him less dangerous.

 

[Sematary]

Santorum would get severely beat down by Obama. I am not the least bit concerned that he could ever become president. Gingrich and Romney on the other hand would really give Obama a run for his money. Gingrich scares me more. But all things equal, I agree Santorum is the scariest man running for President by far. Fortunately I live in a somewhat blue state (hasn't gone red since 88), so I won't have to vote for Obama out of pragmatism if it comes down to it.

I live in Ct. which is by far one of the most Democrat heavy states in the union so no matter how I vote, - even when I vote for Ron Paul, I'm just a lone Ron Paul Republican in a sea of idiots. I mean, come on - these people keep voting for people like Lieberman and Chris Dodd for goodness sake.

 

[Sematary]

Nothing against the OP, but I thought this thread would be based on some type of objective rating system that tells us where each candidate stands on civil liberties and so forth.

Does anything like that exist?

And if not, maybe some smart activist/entrepreneur wants to create one?

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best and 1 being the worst.

10. Ron Paul
1. Mitt Romney
1. Obama
0 Gingrich and Santorum

 

[Simple]

Even Romney said he'd support NDAA and wars around the world. That puts him in the scary category for me. Doom, gloom, despair, or Ron Paul.

 

[kahless]

I live in Ct. which is by far one of the most Democrat heavy states in the union so no matter how I vote, - even when I vote for Ron Paul, I'm just a lone Ron Paul Republican in a sea of idiots. I mean, come on - these people keep voting for people like Lieberman and Chris Dodd for goodness sake.

Very similar here in NY but know very few people like that. Most people I know are Conservative and typically vote for the Republican nominee. However for the first time I am hearing people that do not like any of candidates consider voting Libertarian this time around.

The ones that will not vote for Ron because of the media opposition or because they have accepted whatever Neocon talk radio or pro-big government Foxnews has told them about Ron Paul.

 

[Sematary]

Even Romney said he'd support NDAA and wars around the world. That puts him in the scary category for me. Doom, gloom, despair, or Ron Paul.

Oh, I agree. ALL of them are bad news - including Obama, but I really think if Santorum ever got the presidency WWIII would ensue within less than a year. I think we'd survive another four years of Romney or Obama and if Gingrich ever became president - pretty sure it would be almost as bad as a santorum presidency - he is very unstable.
Fortunately, Santorum doesn't have a shot. Neither doe Gingrich. Moderates and liberals hate him (with good reason). The only vote he really gets is from the right wing neocons and that isn't enough to win shit in a general election.

And, of course, we all know that without Ron Paul at the head of the ticket, Mitt doesn't stand a chance either because I know I'M not voting for him.

 

[deputydon]

If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, I'm honestly voting for Obama. Gingrich is going to bankrupt us even sooner if he honestly believes in a moonbase. Mitt Romney is the biggest flip flopper I've ever seen. And I've always been frightened by Santorum. Personally, its because (no disrespect to the religion folks here) I've always been scared of the extreme religious people. Honestly, a group of extreme catholics or Christians is far more frightening to me than extreme Muslims. At least in the US. Santorum's ability to be so afraid of freewill is absolutely mind blowing to me. He basically feels that anyone that disagrees with him is going to burn in hell.

 

[Brett85]

I actually think Romney's flip flopping makes him better than the other GOP candidates. We know that Santorum and Gingrich will always be consistently wrong and won't ever change. However, Romney has no core values. He'll take whatever position he believes is popular with voters. So if Romney believes that the philosophy of liberty is popular with voters, it's possible he could adopt pro liberty positions simply to get votes.

 

[JK/SEA]

NOBP

this.

 

[jolynna]

He said he SUPPORTS giving up LIBERTY and considers the historic (and in my mind illegal and unconstituional) moment Obama signed NDAA into law a GOOD thing.

WHY does Obama OR Romney think there is even the NEED for such a law? If they aren't going to use and ABUSE it, why have it?

We would have chucked Bush out in a heartbeat if he had dared such a thing.

I am telling you people, perception is the name of the game and everyone is believing what is presented is reality. People are buying into Romney's blandness (therefore he's safe) just like people bought into into Obama's "Hope and Change" talk. Line by line on his own website, Romney promises to add 100,000 men to active duty, build more planes, build more ships and make our military (already larger than everyone else's combined) stronger. WHY? Sounds to me like SOMEBODY is thinking some WAR is going to be going on. And Romney is the ONE who said he'd go get the DRONE. He said Obama is WRONG to get us OUT of Iraq. Romney has even said his first trip abroad as president will be to visit Israel. He's waving the red flag under the bull's (Iran's & the Muslim's) nose before he even gets elected.

That is as into war as it is possible for a candidate to be. He just says it prettily and with an educated tone.

As an ECONOMIST, BESIDES LEAVING office with 67% of the people in Massachusetts not approving of him, Romney's job-getting credentials as governor are putting Massachusetts down to 47th out of 50 states (Katrina saved Massachusetts from being 48th). Romney has gone on record saying the BAILOUTS saved the world from financial collapse...and you better believe NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THE CRIMINAL BANKERS (the guilty people actually saved by the bailouts instead of the innocent investors) who ARE STILL DOING all of the things they did to bring Lehman down, (just packaging it sllightly differently) will EVER BE PUNISHED. It is only a matter of time before THAT bubble bursts. And by voting for Romney the people would have put in charge the ONE man (other than Obama) that the corrupt financial institutions can count on NOT to prosecute THEM. Buying Romney and Obama not only keeps the scammers out of jail, it will keep their corrupt game going. Taxpayers will work and pay for the wrongdoing. As will their children. And their children's children. And generations to come.

Plus, Obama and Romney (if that is who follows Obama into office) have signed into LAW, all the power they need to keep down the rowdy complainers who don't appreciate living under lots of austerity and paying higher taxes.

 

[jolynna]

I actually think Romney's flip flopping makes him better than the other GOP candidates. We know that Santorum and Gingrich will always be consistently wrong and won't ever change. However, Romney has no core values. He'll take whatever position he believes is popular with voters. So if Romney believes that the philosophy of liberty is popular with voters, it's possible he could adopt pro liberty positions simply to get votes.

Romney will do whatever the people that bought him tell him to do.

Just like Obama did.

Remember when Obama used to be anti-war?

See how easily he got over that.

Kind like Romney who used to be pro-choice. And pro-brady bill.

Wall Street chose BOTH Obama and Romney because neither have a moral core. It isn't about what the voters want. Probably hasn't been for a long time. I wouldn't care if I thought the world was going to keep on "muddling through".

Unfortunately, I think we are at a crisis point. This time it might matter who we elect. And for sure, to again repeat ZeroHedge, "We're going to elect who we deserve."

I'm trying to raise the standard to being somewhat above that of a known liar. I don't care about how much worse anybody else is. Their lowness does not make the known liar MORE fit for the position of POTUS.

LESS EVIL IS STILL EVIL. Nobody but Paul.