The Reluctant Case for Trump

[misterx]

If Trump wins, I doubt that he would pick up Rand....and I strongly doubt Rand would accept...but I do agree with the 2nd part of your statement, rand coming in to right the ship that has been sinking under both parties.

I think the Liberty Movement needs to keep as much distance from Trump as humanly possible (even if we under the table support him so he beats out Bernie or Hillary)...that way we can rip on him all through his presidency, and at the election, we can show a clear, un-hypocritical contrast.

Trumps election will give us prime condition to take 2020, what say you?

Of course he would accept. You don't turn down the chance to be VP. It makes it so much easier to become president.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Depends what Trump shows up. I wouldn't be so confident.

Hmm, can you expand on that a little?

The newly found Populist GOP Trump, if elected, would cause a sharp backlash as conservatives finally become disenchanted that he isn't "making america great again"....if he flip flops and goes democrat again; oh, that is perfect, because then the liberty wing of the party can claim the conservative mantle (easy propaganda for us).

But either way, the establishment neocons get crushed, and maybe they flee to the democrats, where they belong.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Of course he would accept. You don't turn down the chance to be VP. It makes it so much easier to become president.

Unless you know that you have a better chance at being elected by not being associated with the guy on the ticket.

Tell me this. How do you think RPF would react to Rand Paul "selling out" to Trump. It would be the literal end of Pauls career, with both his base, and the establishment hating him.

 

[AuH20]

Hmm, can you expand on that a little?

The newly found Populist GOP Trump, if elected, would cause a sharp backlash as conservatives finally become disenchanted that he isn't "making america great again"....if he flip flops and goes democrat again; oh, that is perfect, because then the liberty wing of the party can claim the conservative mantle (easy propaganda for us).

But either way, the establishment neocons get crushed, and maybe they flee to the democrats, where they belong.

Trump is the great wildcard so to speak. He could be a disaster or an upgrade, which is what Lew Rockwell has speculated. His reform party background is similarly countered with his Clinton associations. We can make an educated guess on how he would conduct himself, but ultimately we can't read his soul.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

He is absolutely a firecracker...and when you play with fire, sometimes you do get burnt, we have to avoid that by not attaching ourselves to Trump. But, I'm very excited to see the GOP close its hand around Trump and get their fingers blown off....I may know of a certain Doctor who will be able to step in in 2020 to pick up the pieces.

I think the end of page 2 and the beginning of page 3 talks about Rockwell as well as Trump being a wildcard.

I generally agree.

I think he is a wildcard that ends up campaigning on some of that pseudo-libertarian reform party junk....then wins, and switches to semi-authoritarian putin style governance.

That destroys the party, and leaves its remains to be picked over by the vultures (Liberty Voters)

 

[LibertyEagle]

I wish I had a dollar every time a UNEDUCATED voter spews out the nonsense that T-rump can't be bought. I would have enough money to finance all of the commercials necessary to get Rand Paul elected into the White House.

Trump Can’t Be Bought? Think Again.


The*Trump International Hotel and Tower, also known as*Trump Tower Chicago*and Trump Tower, is a skyscraper*condo-hotel in downtown Chicago, Illinois.

The demolition and construction were financed by a 650-million-dollar loan from Deutsche Bank and a trio of hedge fund investors who represented George Soros as one of their sources of funds according to The Chicago Tribune.

The contribution by George Soros is a $160 million investment, in the form of a mezzanine loan, a kind of second mortgage that typically charges a much higher interest rate than a first-mortgage construction loan.
http://www.thetempesttimes.com/trump-cant-be-bought-think-again/

These same people posted this about Ted Cruz. They love the Cruz.
http://www.thetempesttimes.com/ted-cruz-globalist-truth/

 

[MelissaWV]

It's barely about Trump.

I know, right? I have no idea why people would think you were making a case for Trump --- albeit reluctantly.

It's like these bozos think that a book titled "101 Recipes for Chicken" would have chicken recipes in it.

Bastards.

 

[ProBlue33]

See the GOP needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt for anybody like Rand to win, if that wasn't clear from the shenanigans for the 2012 primary, either you weren't paying attention or you forgot.
Trump can do that, even if he loses in the general, he won't put up with the BS, Ron had too he will sue until the GOP is burned to the ground and if that doesn't work he will run third party ending them.

I say let them burn, burn it to the ground and start over.

 

[AuH20]

See the GOP needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt for anybody like Rand to win, if that wasn't clear from the shenanigans for the 2012 primary, either you weren't paying attention or you forgot.
Trump can do that, even if he loses in the general, he won't put up with the BS, Ron had too he will sue until the GOP is burned to the ground and if that doesn't work he will run third party ending them.

I say let them burn, burn it to the ground and start over.

Trump will not stay quiet when they attempt to steal the election from them. That's the real key factor in all this.

 

[Luieburger]

He is able to make the non-interventionist case like Ron

Yeah. I'm a Cruz guy and I absolutely despise Trump, but when Trump goes on anti-nation-building rants like at the last debate, I start to really like the guy.

Cruz or Trump. I'll take either.

 

[misterx]

Yeah. I'm a Cruz guy and I absolutely despise Trump, but when Trump goes on anti-nation-building rants like at the last debate, I start to really like the guy.

Cruz or Trump. I'll take either.

Buh buh.. he only pretends to read the Bible.

 

[RDM]

And why does he want to be bought with a portfolio of 5 billion? What is the upside? What is Trump going to do with an extra 3 or 4 billion? Extend his life? He's almost 70 years old and the game is closing in on him. Your point would have far greater credence if he was in his mid 30s or 40s. Trump has openly confessed that he was part of the establishment and partook in questionable deals. Trump has 1 foot in grave and all the money in the world can't alter this fact.

Take Trump’s fortune. Yes, the guy is ridiculously rich, but Bloomberg on Tuesday released an analysis of his 90-plus page personal financial disclosure filed with the Federal Election Commission suggesting that he’s nowhere near as rich as he repeatedly, relentlessly, claims he is.

Trump had claimed that his net worth is something north of $10 billion, but once Bloomberg’s Billionaire’s Index started peeling away The Donald’s extraordinarily optimistic assumptions about the value of his brand and his properties, the number began to look smaller. Bloomberg’s final verdict: $2.9 billion. http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/07/29/Trump-s-Net-Worth-Isn-t-His-Only-Claim-s-Fake
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So, let's put this into perspective. Trump's real net worth is 2.9 Billion as opposed to his exaggerated claim of 10 Billion. Some major bank along with some hedge funds and George Soros got Trump by the balls for 650 Million. That's about 22% of Trump's net worth.

So let's break this down to little guys thinking. Let's just say I am worth $100,000. Someone dangles $22,000 to do some favors....well...I may have to think this one out.

So again, would you like to try one more time pissing on my leg and tell me it's raining?

 

[misterx]

Yeah. I'm a Cruz guy and I absolutely despise Trump, but when Trump goes on anti-nation-building rants like at the last debate, I start to really like the guy.

Cruz or Trump. I'll take either.

Buh buh.. he only pretends to read the Bible.

It's so annoying watching these evangelicals circle Trump like any of the candidates they have ever supported really gave a damn about them.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Voting for Trump without hesitation here. He is an unpredictable wrecking ball. I don't care, I'm willing to take the gamble because he will break the backs of the GOP establishment. No liberty candidate who isn't a billionaire will ever have a chance until the Republican establishment gets its ass kicked.

 

[AuH20]

Voting for Trump without hesitation here. He is an unpredictable wrecking ball. I don't care, I'm willing to take the gamble because he will break the backs of the GOP establishment. No liberty candidate who isn't a billionaire will ever have a chance until the Republican establishment gets its ass kicked.

Correct. We all know that Rubio and Cruz will cheat on us. Trump is an x-factor. You play the odds without question and slam the ball across the establishment's net, seeing how they will react. I don't think Trump can be a savior since the system is unsavable, but he can wake up large amounts of people who previously thought the system was legitimate.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I wish I had a dollar every time a UNEDUCATED voter spews out the nonsense that T-rump can't be bought. I would have enough money to finance all of the commercials necessary to get Rand Paul elected into the White House.

Trump Can’t Be Bought? Think Again.

The contribution by George Soros is a $160 million investment, in the form of a mezzanine loan, a kind of second mortgage that typically charges a much higher interest rate than a first-mortgage construction loan.
http://www.thetempesttimes.com/trump-cant-be-bought-think-again/

So you think Trump owes Soros because Soros gauged him with exorbitant interest rates on a real estate loan? Wouldn't that make Soros one of the banking "killers" Trump argues we shouldn't feel sorry for? There is a big difference between a guy who offers you a loan in the hopes of making money himself off the interest and Goldman Sachs sticking $500,000 in Hillary Clinton's pocket for a speech that has an inherent value of a couple hundred bucks at most. One is a normal business investment, the other is a bribe.

If you can find an example of banks giving Trump a loan in which they didn't expect to make a profit on, then we can talk about this. But what you have talked about so far is apple and oranges.

 

[CPUd]

LOL if this guy actually could get elected, you people would be in for a rude awakening in the first 30 days, when he brings in the same people to run the country that a Rubio or Cruz would.

 

[DamianTV]

There was also a Reluctant Case for Hitler.
Humans need to learn from history.

ABC's of Elections: ABC stands for Anybody But Clinton. (a.k.a. Hittlary)

I dont have one for Trump tho... Insider posing as an outsider?

There is no one left in this election cycle that I feel represents me at all, and most of the real life people I know feel the same way. No one I know supports Hittlary Clinton, but there are a few morons that support Trump, and do so strongly, and that scares the shit out of me. One of my neighbors is strongly supporting Trump, and his viewpoints on just about everything have been exceptionally twisted, response to all the Fear Mongering out there, and he isnt much smarter than a houseplant.

 

[William Tell]

I know, right? I have no idea why people would think you were making a case for Trump --- albeit reluctantly.

It's like these bozos think that a book titled "101 Recipes for Chicken" would have chicken recipes in it.

Bastards.

 

[Brett85]

Correct. We all know that Rubio and Cruz will cheat on us. Trump is an x-factor. You play the odds without question and slam the ball across the establishment's net, seeing how they will react. I don't think Trump can be a savior since the system is unsavable, but he can wake up large amounts of people who previously thought the system was legitimate.

I could care less if a candidate is "anti establishment" if they're a big government progressive like Trump. Even the establishment candidates in the race are better than Trump.