"The Religious Right is AWOL From the Real War" by Dr. Chuck Baldwin

"In a nutshell, Corsi warns us that G.W. Bush is secretly working to merge the United States into a trilateral government with Canada and Mexico. Corsi maintains that back in March of 2005, President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin entered into an agreement that binds the three countries into a regional or hemispheric government."

What is this agreement called; and where can I read the text?
 
"In a nutshell, Corsi warns us that G.W. Bush is secretly working to merge the United States into a trilateral government with Canada and Mexico. Corsi maintains that back in March of 2005, President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin entered into an agreement that binds the three countries into a regional or hemispheric government."

What is this agreement called; and where can I read the text?

I second this motion. :p
 
Dr. 3D I sent you a private message earlier, did you get it?

Since you are such a kind person and you asked so humbly, allow me to explain. There are many lessons that must be learned, as a Christian. Sin and Salvation is just one of them and it is the beginning one. The problem is the majority of the church world stays with that one, but that is the first works, the milk. Salvation is the beginning, first step that anyone must take. It is a baby christians first step on the road. There is so much more meat. But, when someone continuously pounds sin, salvation, hell, fire and brimstone, they have failed to see or learn the greater lessons of grace, mercy, patient, forgiveness, kindness, love. (See the fruits of the spirit.)

Now since the bible is the book I keep referring people too, does it not say that if they will go and read it and study it that they will find the way to God? Does not the bible say the only way to God is Christ. If I didn’t want them to find Christ, why would I refer them to the very book that would reveal him as their savior? That would not make any sense would it? If I believed Mohammah was the way or the jews were the way, wouldn’t it make sense to not send them to the bible? But, do your remember our conversation about sowing seeds? What is the best way to sow seeds, isn’t to show people the word. Because if they read it, isn’t that the greatest opportunity to get seed planted? Isn’t it wiser to let people read the word, so they can get it into their own minds and hearts, then it is for me to spew it out and hope they get it? See if I can get them to read it, it has a much greater chance to get planted and take root, (so God can get a harvest). So I stay away from quoting a lot of scripture to people. I want them to pick that bible up, read it and get the word firmly planted. And when they do, they will run smack dab into Christ and the only way to salvation. That’s why I never try to reveal truth, I do what Christ did I speak in parables. So that people can get enough interest to want to know. I never spew out scriptures or beat people over the head with them or dispute them. Because it won’t help them grow. It’s all about helping people come to the knowledge of Christ and a deeper knowledge of Christ. People will not be convinced until they see it for themselves. And that is the only way that they will ever know the truth, so they can be free.

That’s why I never go and dispute the scriptures with anyone. When seeds are planted, Satan will always plant weeds. (You and I discussed that!). Those weeds are misunderstandings, lack of knowledge, etc…, but instead of going back into the feed and ripping up the whole field, which will rip up the good seed that was planted, if we will just be patient and let the wheat and the weeds to grow up together for a while, the weeds will be rooted up and thrown into the fire. So we don’t have to worry about the weeds. We must just get the good seed into the field and let it grow. It is wisdom to be patient, it is not wisdom to run around and back into the feed and ripping up everything that is not like Christ. God’s got it! Just let it be. Let the muslims be, let the Buddhists be, let the samartians be. Stop persecuting them and judging them and trying them. Instead of beating them over the head and driving them away, look for and pray for an opportunity, a door that only God can open, so that you can go in and sow that field with the Gospel.

What we refuse to do is be patient, kind and loving, instead we want to barge in and make a door, where God hasn’t made one. He said when he opens a door, no man can shut it. Sweet brother, I trust God. I have learned to go when he says go and stay when he says stay. I have learned I of my own self can do nothing. It’s his field, I can only pray that he will send me into it.

Now, about love it’s the greatest lesson. There is no law, once we are made perfect in love. The law brings the curses right? If there is no law by walking in love, then are we not saved from the curses? Christ is our savior, but he is also our love, mercy, grace, and fulfillment of the law. He is everything. The bible says God is love, so I am not right to say love saves us? It was love that was nailed to the tree. It was love that was laid in the tomb. It was love that rose the third day. It was the greatest love that ever existed. Is that not right? It is that love that sets us free, if we will only allow it to operate in our lives.

I said the bible is a loaded gun, because it is. It is extremely powerful. But the problem is baby christians get some of it and never do enough study of it, so they can get the full truth, before they run out with it and batter the heck out of people with their feeble knowledge of it. There’s no wisdom in that and it does not edify the body of Christ or bring any glory to God’s Kingdom. People need instruction and they need to understand they need instruction. They need to be told the truth. The word of God is a sword and it can save or it can kill. We don’t want to kill people we want to save them But, if we run out and hammer people (especially the unsaved) with it, it will and does drive away the very ones that God is trying to draw. That’s why we must be wise.We must be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. We must have instruction. If not the bible is nothing more than a loaded gun, in the hands of a child. That is dangerous, very dangerous. Until someone is walking in the fruits of the spirit and they have been fully educated in righteousness, they should not go out trying to convert people. They still need to be converted fully from their old ways first. That’s what Christ meant about getting the beams out of our own eyes first, before we go try to take the speck out of someone else’s. The problem is that’s not being taught, the churches are full of babies teaching babies. We must grow up and get some wisdom. But, baby Christians run around hammering people, on sin and salvation, never realizing that yes it is the right and proper message but it must be delivered in a way that people will receive it with a glad heart. Because what does the bible say, if seed is sown into a glad heart, it has been sown in good ground and it will take root. The church isn’t bearing fruit right now, statistics show people are shunning church, because we have not been ministering salvation according to the scriptures. We must get some wisdom and knowledge back into the church regarding the scriptures, so we can be effective representatives to a lost and dieing world. But the only way that is going to happen, is when people become willing to be taught and stop thinking they know, what they do not know. So we need to shut our mouths and stop ripping each other up and open our eyes and ears, so that we can learn. But, we all must get to the fruits and become perfected in them. That’s how that world will know we are truly God’s. The church is being mocked and ridiculed, not because of it's righteousness but because of it's unrighteousness. How many people do you know are truly walking according to the fruits of the spirit? Those fruits are our ID. Without that ID, we look like, smell like, walk like, talk like the world and we have not been transformed from our old lives, until we put on righteousness (the fruits of the spirit). Those fruits are what set us apart and makes us different from the lost world, we were saved out of. Those fruits should be the very works that the entire church world should pursue. But, nope they want to go pursue the unrighteous and beat them over the heads, while they still have the big old beams of unrighteousness in their own eyes. They do the exact thing Christ said not to do! Unlearned, no wisdom.

Now, about Christ in us and the Kingdom of God within: here are the scriptures, go pray and seek God and ask him to reveal to you the truth.

2 Corinthians 13:3 since you are demanding proof that Christ is speaking through me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you. 4For to be sure, he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God's power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God's power we will live with him to serve you. 5Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
 
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Dr. 3D I sent you a private message earlier, did you get it?

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Now, about Christ in us and the Kingdom of God within: here are the scriptures, go pray and seek God and ask him to reveal to you the truth.

2 Corinthians 13:3 since you are demanding proof that Christ is speaking through me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you. 4For to be sure, he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God's power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God's power we will live with him to serve you. 5Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:


Yes, I have read your personal message. I thank you for taking the time to address this issue and I am happy to say I agree with you on everything you just posted.

In reference to Jesus the Christ being within us. This is true of those who have accepted Him as their Saviour. If we do not have Him in our hearts, we have nothing.

Concerning the Kingdom of Heaven being within us....
You are aware though, some interpretations of the Bible, nearly all of them interpret Luke 17:21 a slightly different way. This is not to say the kingdom of God is not within us if we would have it.

Here are a few of the other interpretations of Luke 17:21.

(Revised Standard Version)
Luke 17:21 21 nor will they say, `Lo, here it is!' or `There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

(New Living Translation)
Luke 17:21 21 You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."

(New Jerusalem Bible)
Luke 17:21 21 and there will be no one to say, "Look, it is here! Look, it is there!" For look, the kingdom of God is among you.'

(New International Version)
Luke 17:21 21 nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within {21 Or among} you."

(New American Standard Bible 1995)
Luke 17:21 21 nor will (a)they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is (1)in your midst."

(New American Bible)
Luke 17:21 21 (1 )and no one will announce, 'Look, here it is,' or, 'There it is.' For behold, the kingdom of God is among you."

(Complete Jewish Bible 1988)
Luke 17:21 21 nor will people be able to say, 'Look! Here it is!' or, 'Over there!' Because, you see, the Kingdom of God is among you."

Yes, the kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom. While everyone has a soul, not everyone has the spirit of the kingdom of God. This is something one must acquire from God, through His Holy Spirit.

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?' 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.' (NRSV)

Now of course there will be some who will say, this is by works, but this is not so.
If it were by works, then it would be a simple task to enter the kingdom of God. The reason a person does the will of the Heavenly Father is because they have accepted His grace and deliverance through the blood of the Lamb of God. They love God almost as much as He loves them.

Yes, the message of salvation is just the first step, it is the milk for the infants in Christ. As they grow, they will be able to digest the meat.

Speaking of meat, here is a very good message from a fellow named Paul Washer. This message contains a lot of meat. It is intended for those who have grown in their relationship with Jesus the Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuabITeO4l8

You can rest assured, Paul Washer will not be invited to speak again at this church. This is a message many were not expecting.
 
Yes, you got it. Dr.3D you are definitely someone who seeks God. The Kingdom of God is a spiritual Kingdom and it comes when the seed of it is planted in us and then we we allow it to grow up into a mighty tree. It is freedom, it is life eternal, it is life more abundant, it is health, redemption from sin, it is Christ, it is reconciliation, it is what we as Christians hope for, the fullness of the God head body.

You got it. I'm amazed! I just gave you the scriptures and you got it. See how the word of God is? No one needs to reveal truth, we just need to get people to the water (word) and try to help them drink. If they will drink it and digest it, it will become life to them. That's why it is so important to not spew out scriptures, we must get people to the word of God and let them get it.

I'm amazed! But, I always am at God and what he can do when people are willing to hear and see. God bless you brother!

By the way, I love Paul Washer. Go to God tube and look up xtian or xtain, and watch his videos, as Ray Comfort, Open air evangelism. They got it. They tell people straight up without condemnation. You are already in hell, here's the way out, CHRIST! Christ is the answer you need. That's the message they convene. They minister God made a way for them. You know when Paul Washer ministers, it's Christ in him. When Paul Washer ministers I feel God's presence all over me. God's voice just trumpets, when Paul speaks.

I'm so thankful for you.
 
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I went and watched that Paul Washer and he was talking about having the fruits and walking with the word of God. It is the same thing I am saying. Praise God. He was saying the church is not right and we need to get our act right. It ain't about the unrighteous, it's about the righteous, getting their act together. That is the same message God has been having me tell people. God is looking for his people to come up out of the world. But, we have been too busy worrying about the world instead of our ouwn houses. We better get this right. We have to get the babies to set down and get some instruction, and some leaders with some instruction (like Paul) needs to take over and people need to listen. This is the message to the whole church world. You better get the fruits, because that's how we will be known. Praise God for him!
 
I went and watched that Paul Washer and he was talking about having the fruits and walking with the word of God. It is the same thing I am saying. Praise God. He was saying the church is not right and we need to get our act right. It ain't about the unrighteous, it's about the righteous, getting their act together. That is the same message God has been having me tell people. God is looking for his people to come up out of the world. But, we have been too busy worrying about the world instead of our ouwn houses. We better get this right. We have to get the babies to set down and get some instruction, and some leaders with some instruction (like Paul) needs to take over and people need to listen. This is the message to the whole church world. You better get the fruits, because that's how we will be known. Praise God for him!

I find this quote to be quite appropriate.

1 Peter 4:17-18 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; if it begins with us, what will be the end for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinners?" (NRSV)
 
That is absolutely right! That is the message God is sending to the churches. Repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand. We are not walking according to the scriptures. And we are failing, to reach the lost, because of it. I just finished watching Paul Washer, and that's what he was saying. It's time the church grows up and gets real. We have people who have been saved, 20-30 years and they have never grown past salvation. They are still drinking milk after 20-30 years. They no nothing at all about the meat or the Kingdom of God or being converted (not just saved) but converted. The people in the church have been lead by babies and no one has any wisdom.

We need 1 million Paul Washers, in pulpits across America. You want to see a dynamic change and growth and revival. Oh my goodness.

We gotta get the babies to set down and be taught. They need to get off the bottles and onto the real food of the gossip.

Thank you Dr. 3D, now you understand, what I am saying. We gotta get people back into the word of God and get them some instruction.
 
Begin at my sanctuary.

That is absolutely right! That is the message God is sending to the churches. Repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand. We are not walking according to the scriptures. And we are failing, to reach the lost, because of it. I just finished watching Paul Washer, and that's what he was saying. It's time the church grows up and gets real. We have people who have been saved, 20-30 years and they have never grown past salvation. They are still drinking milk after 20-30 years. They no nothing at all about the meat or the Kingdom of God or being converted (not just saved) but converted. The people in the church have been lead by babies and no one has any wisdom.

We need 1 million Paul Washers, in pulpits across America. You want to see a dynamic change and growth and revival. Oh my goodness.

We gotta get the babies to set down and be taught. They need to get off the bottles and onto the real food of the gossip.

Thank you Dr. 3D, now you understand, what I am saying. We gotta get people back into the word of God and get them some instruction.

See the parallel between 1 Peter 4:17-18 and this quote?
Added emphasis is mine.
Ezekiel 9:4-6 and said to him, "Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of those who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it." 5 To the others he said in my hearing, "Pass through the city after him, and kill; your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no pity. 6 Cut down old men, young men and young women, little children and women, but touch no one who has the mark. And begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the house. (NRSV)
 
Whoa! Isn't that powerful. See God is the same yesterday today and forever. He's looking for righteousness in America. In Sodom and Gormorrah he was only looking for one righteous man and he would have not destroyed the cities. One righteous man and he would have saved a city of unrighteous people.

That's why I say, as christians we gotta get this right. We have to stop pointing fingers everywhere except at the center of our own chests. We need to look for sin in ourselves first. It's like Jesus said, he who is without sin caste the first stone.

We point fingers at the buddhists, the muslims, the jews, the hindus, etc....! God already knows they are unrighteous. But, before he does anything about them, he always gets his own house in order first.

That would be like us cleaning some else's house that was dirty and not cleaning our own. That's ridiculous!

This thing I know, God ain't playing with us. We gotta grow up! He's telling us to get our oil lamps filled, not half empty.
 
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Baby Charity

You can throw all the stones at me you so desire, you can mock me, spit on me, pound me with your religious doctrine a
[More insults]
So I have decided to turn the other cheek.

Hope, you continue to accuse me and insult me with the lowest insults possible.
This includes anywhere from calling me a pig, a fly on a horses butt, or throwing up words, etc. You are doing anything but turning the other cheek.

You are not a fit worker of God. You frequently accuse "the church", in broad strokes of being wrong anywhere from being "intolerant" of homosexuals (God says homosexuality is an abomination), wrong to allow war (God has helped his people in war), and wrong for preaching "fire and brimestone" (and that is part of the gospel). Before you accuse "the entire church" of being wrong, and you are specifically doing it to me as well, you need look no further than yourself.

You owe me an apology for the personal insults, not more accusations. It is clear you do not want a civil debate, because you can not defend your stand. That is fine, but I will not stop posting bible passage nor be scared off by your "superior" (I'd call it very vain) approach to saying it is undigested thrown up baby food. The only one acting like a baby is you.
 
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Buzz, buzz, buzz, blah, blah, blah, boogity, boogity boogity.

Baby words.

I rather suspect this is more like what the bible really means by immaturity. Have not yet digested God's words to act charitably mature in love towards others, so "spews stuff up" (I used Hope's phrase here to me for daring to quote the bible). But this is probably closer to the meaning overall and makes me want to go study the bible on it. I've never liked preachers that have used the bible to puff up their knowledge and insult others (and the verses and spirit of it are misquoted). Many people seem to have adopted it from these unrighteous preachers, but it is wrong behavior. If I have all knowledge, and not charity I am nothing. Maybe its time to write something on those verses that they all quote and give a Godly commentary on it.

So the only thing I am taking from this thread is study those versus more carefully. That, and maybe learn how to deal with someone who is immature better.
 
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Christ would say, let the Samaritans be, let the muslims be, let the jews be, let the christians be, let the buddhists be, lie the hindus be. God will judge us by our love for one another. Love will save us and our hatred will condemn us. I hate to say it, none of the religions have this message right, even though all the true leaders of each of these religions came ministering the message of love and forgiveness.

If you feel the need to attend a religious organization then go in peace and be happy. But, if you will find the Kingdom of God within your own soul, you will have peace and happiness eternally.

Hope, we've already discussed (as much as was possible) about the kingdom of God, and it not being available anywhere including inside yourself - to the lost and before you are saved. But you talk about "the church" being wrong a lot too, and while I admit you can say "a specific church" is wrong for this or that, "the church" to me means all true Christians acting as Jesus Christ actual wants them to act - as the head; in which case it can't be wrong - because its Jesus directing it. In Revelation 21 it shows "the church" as a pure bride.

But what I am wondering, is why it seems like you are saying as long as you find peace in your soul, its fine if you are alone if that's what you like (anything goes). I'm pretty sure the Word of God wants Christians to work together. I don't think despising "the church" in general terms is a good thing and the "the church" isn't like what you are saying. "The church" is the priesthood of all believers with Jesus Christ as the head. When you're saying "the church" should be doing so and so, you're taking the position of the head. Jesus Christ knows what he is doing and he is the head.
 
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Dr. 3D I went back and read this scripture, you posted again:

Ezekiel 9:4-6 and said to him, "Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of those who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it." 5 To the others he said in my hearing, "Pass through the city after him, and kill; your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no pity. 6 Cut down old men, young men and young women, little children and women, but touch no one who has the mark. And begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the house. (NRSV)

In reading it, that is exactly what God is saying to his own people again, judgement has started on my house. What we have been, we can not be anymore. God is placing his seal on the foreheads of his people and as Jesus said we shall be known by our fruits. I'm beginning to understand the fruits are our wedding garments and we must put them on.

But not in word, but in deed (actions). It doesn't matter how much scripture we know, how much we prophecy, or speak in tongues, or heal the sick, or anything in his name, if we are not manifesting love, Paul said it doesn't mean anything. We are just a sounding symbol and tinkling brass. Jesus said those who do those things will come to him in that day, and he'll say depart from me, you workers of inquity, I never knew you. He said his church will be without spot, wrinkle or blemish.

So the truth is: if we have any spots, wrinkles or blemishes, we better get it right. We can't afford to think that just because we do this, that or the other thing, that we are going to be accepted by him. He said we have to have on the full wedding garments of righteousness.

That Dr. 3d is why I am so concerned for the church. They are being lied to and told they are alright because they accepted Jesus 30 years ago, but they have never fully repented (which means a complete turning away from their old ways).
The new testament, says they've never been converted. Paul even asked believers, have you been converted since you believed. So it was something separate. Salvation is truly just the very first baby step.

As verse 4 of that scripture says, we need to be sighing and groaning over this thing. My heart daily, sighs and groans, because I know we are not ready. We are just not ready.

See Jesus said this and I am too, come on little children, get as close as you can to Jesus, in your relationship. Come on, don't stand back over there, come up here to the only safety we have.
Luke 18:16
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Yet the false prophets aren't saying that, they are saying everything's alright, we don't need to come any closer. They don't want the message to get as close to Christ as possible, preached. That's because they are ravenous wolves in sheeps clothing. They are trying to teach people how to go into the Kingdom of God and aren't going in themselves. Anyone that would tell someone they are alright and they don't need to get as close as possible to Christ is a liar and a thief. The church world is in trouble. It needs someone to tell them the truth.

God's Holy spirit is calling us to get close to him. To get as close as we can. The only way is via becoming as righteous as possible. That's why perfecting the fruits in our lives is so important. The fruits are righteous.

So I'm going to say again, for everyone to be sure, right here, right now that you are 100% where you need to be with Christ. If you can not say that with all surety, then you need to do whatever it takes. Don't let anyone tell you, things in the church world are alright and rest in that! None of us can take that chance, not in this dangerous hour. God is calling us into deeper relationships than just salvation. Christ is calling us to be made clean. I'm not here to judge you, God will do that through your own hearts. But, don't let anyone tell you, everything is alright. Go seek God for yourselves. Ask him and he will show you. Judgement has fallen on our house. It doesn't matter what other people say or do, it only matters that you are right. So come on little children, come closer. Don't let anyone forbid you to come!

Revelation 19:7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
 
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hope7134, there is a remnant of the church that still understands these things.
Look at the history of the relationship Israel had with God and how through the years, politics became involved and perverted the relationship till it was but a small part of what it had been.

If though all of that time, the relationship Israel had with God became so corrupted, how is it the relationship the church has with God/Jesus can not also have been corrupted? Of course it has been corrupted and there is only a small remnant left of the true church who follow the new covenant commandments of God/Jesus.

When someone says Jesus is the head of the church, and thus the church can not be corrupted, they seem to forget the corruption of Israel as pertaining to the old covenant. They seem to forget God was the head of Israel while this corruption took place.

When mankind seeks to introduce politics into something that is holy, they corrupt it as surely as they are corrupted. There is no room for the politics of man within the church. It was only three centuries since the start of the Christian church and the corruption was already being seen to be taking place. After this corruption began, it progressed to the point there were religious wars and crusades taking place to gain control of land and people. These people who were doing such things were working toward their own power rather than the spiritual kingdom of God. They should have known the kingdom of God is not of this earth and thus it was not necessary to control parts of the earth to achieve that end.

After such corruption, there was a reformation, but this reformation was not complete. Those who sought to protest the corruption, still held to many of the beliefs of the old corrupted church and they do so to this day. Just because Jesus is the head of the church, this does not mean He has not given it free will. This free will has allowed the church to go off of the path it was intended to go.

I would have to remind those who believe nothing can be wrong with the church, to evaluate was is said in Matthew 7:21-23

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?' 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.' ([N]RSV)

Who would Jesus be talking to, if those people had said those things? Would He be talking to people who never professed to be Christians? Would people who never professed to be Christians prophesy in His name? Would they cast out demons and do many other deeds of power in His name?

It should seem rather obvious, Jesus is talking about people who claim to be Christians, and if He is talking about professed Christians, he is also talking about the professed Church.
 
Dr. 3D, I rejoice at your wisdom!

1 Thessalonians 5
1Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.


That is why I'm not saying the church world should be at peace or feel safe. We need to be vigilant about our walk with God, ever watchful over sin in our lives. We need to be certain we are walking in light and not darkness. God wants us in this hour to know what hour we are in, and that we must be fully prepared so that we are not overtaken like a thief in the night. Thank you for your post, I concur, and it was wonderful.

We would be remiss in not telling our brothers and sisters to wake up, look around, night has fallen, get your oil lamps filled.
 
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I have no wisdom but what has been given to me to pass along to others.
It is up to others to determine the validity of what I write.
 
Christians believe that Sodom was destroyed because of the unrighteousness

Sodom was not destroyed because of the unrighteousness, it's because righteousness could not be found there. Is God finding righteous in America? or are we receiving his warnings that we are about to be destroyed, because righteousness is not being found?

Genesis 18
Abraham Pleads for Sodom
16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the LORD said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."
20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. [e] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare [f] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge [g] of all the earth do right?"
26 The LORD said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."
27 Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?"
"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."
29 Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"
He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."
30 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"
He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."
31 Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?"
He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it."
32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."




Isaiah 3:9
The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.


Mark 6:11
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
 
[B]To the Church in Laodicea[/B]

To the Church in Laodicea
Revelations 3:14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
 
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