The REAL Gaddafi and what he wanted to do?

[Travlyr]

just curious, was Nazi Germany connected with the Rothschild banking

Yes.

So was Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker.

Max Warburg

Max Warburg was also on the board of a major industrial conglomerate, IG Farben, which had been originally formed by the Rothschilds in 1925, together with other foreign Anglo-American interests. Warburg was ousted from the board in 1938, out of fears his Jewish ethnicity would allow the company to be confiscated and seized as a "Jewish Company."

 

[Seraphim]

There is evidence that Hitler was the illegitimite love child of a Rothchild and one of his servants - hence the "quarter Jew" allegations for Hitler.

Do you own diligence.

just curious, was Nazi Germany connected with the Rothschild banking

 

[Son of Detroit]

Let's get this thread out of General Politics. The last thing we need a potential Republican convert to see is this thread.

I think it's safe to say that multiple Ron Paul supporters talking about how the NWO and global bankers killed Ghaddafi because he was a great leader doesn't look good, and won't win any people over.

 

[RyanRSheets]

Yep- a desirable economy we should try to emulate. Government spending also makes up 43% of GDP- higher than the 38% of GDP in the US (though not by a ton). Government much more involved in people's and business's lives there too.

("Freedom scale" goes up to 100 with 100 indicating the most freedom- their overall score ranks them as #173 globally)

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/Libya

I really doubt that 43% was anywhere near as polluted with defense, corporate welfare and waste, too. As far as we're concerned, though, they weren't a threat to us, we should not have gotten involved. That Gaddafi opposed central banking and the "revolutionaries" instituted a central bank almost immediately is very telling, regardless.

 

[Jake Ralston]

Where do you get this idea that I support war with Libya? I promote peace, hence my opposition to Gadaffi.

Here is a brief, heavily cited wikipedia article about Gadaffi's various terrorist connections

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadaffi#State-sponsored_terrorism

wikipedia?!?! YGTBSM

Every claim is cited. Problem?

Wow. So Danke tries to get smart with Cutler and then gets owned.

Danke hasn't responded in hours so I take it he is doing his homework reading assignment.

Good job Cutz! Straight up owned him Rudy Giuliani style, I like it!

 

[Bossobass]

Yes, a country with a tiny population discovering mass quantities of oil does tend to raise their living standards (which are still medicore and below any country in the Western world). I guess the Saudi's have a brilliant ruler as well, just compare their living standards now to where they were 50 years ago. That has nothing to do with his economic policies, which include one of the largest socialist states in the whole world with government health care, houses, education, cars, welfare, and a central bank.

You have cited two sources that have nothing to do with Gadaffi's socialist policies, both from mainstream websites. I have had a list of sources already put fourth in the OP, by Zippyjuan, and the bundle of sources from the wikipedia article. You have posted nothing of substance and made yourself look like a typical socialist in denial of the regimes crimes, just as communist denied the truth about the Soviet Union and China, claiming everything to be exaggerated. Governments are evil, and Gadaffi is a perfect example of it.

I responded to the Zippinator's cited source material, and feel compelled to repeat myself here.

Like every country where resources are in abundance, the US has shown up, installed their puppet, arranged for oppressive loans from the IMF, which proceeds went directly to US companies to build infrastructure to exploit the resources. The Puppet and his little cadre were "ins" and the rest of the population were "outs". The US resource exploiter received 95% and the "ins" received 5% while the population (as Libya was experiencing before Gadaffi) remained illiterate and destitute.

The Hunt's story gives some insight as to why Libya's standard of living suddenly changed under the evil dictator/terrorist/murder/socialist/yadda, yadda, took power:

During the 1970's Bunker Hunt was still the heavy hitter betting on one big business deal after another including oil, real estate (5 million acres throughout the world), cattle, sugar and pizza parlors. His Libyan oil leases in the late 1960's and early 1970's were bringing in $30 million/year in revenues (even at $3/bbl).

At the same time Col. Qaddafi in Libya shut out BP and then nationalized Bunker's wells. The major oil companies soon afterwards caved in. The first to break with the major oil companies was Armand Hammer at Occidental Petroleum when he gave into Qaddafi's demands for a 51% royalty payment. After Hammer the other major oil companies lined up and gave in as well. The results were an empowerment over the major oil companies the middle east countries had never before experienced that emboldened them to form OPEC and embargo oil in 1973.

Bunker grew angry at the State Department's lack of support for his lost Libyan oil field. He had hired John Connally to help negotiate with the Libyan but without any success. He blamed the big oil companies for using him as a sacrificial lamb in Libya and then hanging him out to dry on his own. At the head of the major oil companies were the Hunts arch enemies, the Rockefellers. Bunker felt that the Washington - New York Eastern establishment was being led down the road to socialism by the Rockefellers.

Because Gadaffi didn't play ball (take the impossible-to-repay IMF loans, take the 5% deal, agree to accept only USD for your oil and agree to set aside a % of your end of the take to purchase US Treasuries), he became the bad guy. End of fucking story, all else being completely irrelevant.

This has been the case in so many countries in the last 1/2 century, I'm truly amazed that it isn't obvious to everyone in America why Gadaffi is "really, really bad and must be bombed to death".

Regarding the oppressive nature of the dictator against his people:

Libya has the highest living standard in Africa. The "United Nations Development Program (UNDP) confirms that the country has excellent prospects for achieving United Nations development goals by 2015. NATO's war will have already dashed those hopes. A collapse like the one in Iraq now threatens the country.

For Richard Falk, the UN special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine, the "degree of repression" in Libya is not "more pervasive and severe" than in other authoritarian countries. Even according to Amnesty International's country reports of human rights conditions, that of Libya differs little from many other countries; regarding the Arab allies in the NATO war alliance, such as Saudi Arabia, it is even much worse.

My feeling is that the US should stay the fuck out of other countries affairs and the single pertinent thing I know for sure about Libya is that it never was, isn't and never will be a threat to America. I don't care what Gadaffi was like, what his political or ideological views were or what his favorite color was, your accusations notwithstanding.

Bosso

But, is you choose to condemn a post for lack of sources, make sure your own are up to that sort of scrutiny.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

I responded to the Zippinator's cited source material, and feel compelled to repeat myself here.

Like every country where resources are in abundance, the US has shown up, installed their puppet, arranged for oppressive loans from the IMF, which proceeds went directly to US companies to build infrastructure to exploit the resources. The Puppet and his little cadre were "ins" and the rest of the population were "outs". The US resource exploiter received 95% and the "ins" received 5% while the population (as Libya was experiencing before Gadaffi) remained illiterate and destitute.

The Hunt's story gives some insight as to why Libya's standard of living suddenly changed under the evil dictator/terrorist/murder/socialist/yadda, yadda, took power:





Because Gadaffi didn't play ball (take the impossible-to-repay IMF loans, take the 5% deal, agree to accept only USD for your oil and agree to set aside a % of your end of the take to purchase US Treasuries), he became the bad guy. End of fucking story, all else being completely irrelevant.

This has been the case in so many countries in the last 1/2 century, I'm truly amazed that it isn't obvious to everyone in America why Gadaffi is "really, really bad and must be bombed to death".

Regarding the oppressive nature of the dictator against his people:





My feeling is that the US should stay the fuck out of other countries affairs and the single pertinent thing I know for sure about Libya is that it never was, isn't and never will be a threat to America. I don't care what Gadaffi was like, what his political or ideological views were or what his favorite color was, your accusations notwithstanding.

Bosso

But, is you choose to condemn a post for lack of sources, make sure your own are up to that sort of scrutiny.

That post does not address Zippyjuans, which shows how low Libya ranks on every freedom index. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, as a matter of fact.

Again, Libya is one of the smallest countries in the world, population wise, and yet it is one of the most oil rich. That is why they arhave higher living standards than the rest of Africa (setting the bar pretty low). But by this logic, the Saudi's are brilliant with their economy, because they distribute oil revenue.

 

[anaconda]

by this logic, the Saudi's are brilliant with their economy, because they distribute oil revenue.

I thought the Saudi inner circle kept all of the money for themselves..

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

I see the Saudi Dictatorship lost one of their own to old age... he rained the terror of by the Security/Defense Minister for 48 years straight. Conducted the oppression, torture, imprisonment, and executions. Seems there's double-standards in the world. Oh, it's the same government standard in every country, it's just the manner in running the operations and how covert/polished-up you run your terror upon the people. I guess calling someone a 'CROWN PRINCE' off-loads some of the decades of terror... oh when you submit to the imperial powers, agreeing upon a global swindle (Oil Price fixing) it's okay then to imprison/torture/murder your own people. Wait a minute... lot's of oil and racketeering to work the deals.

Saudi Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al Saud Cheif of Security/Defense
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15413275


Maybe Qadhafi was correct about some of the tribes being rats/anaimals..

WARNING: Very Explicit Video, The Rebels Sodomized Mommar Qadhafi shortly before executing him

 

[LibForestPaul]

I don't endorse any interventionism. None the less, that does not make Gaddafi any less evil. Gaddafi is as rotten as it gets, and the OP's video was made by an outright, hardcore, socialist that CLEARLY endorsed him.

I consider calling killers evil part of my free speech, and don't feel like sitting by on the Ron Paul forums as this monster is commended.



Anyone who claims to be a Ron Paul supporter should hate Gaddafi MORE after watching that video. Those policies go to show that the main stream media is right about one thing; Gaddafi is a tyrant.

Rotten compared to who. Bush Jr, Clinton, Obama, Putin, Jintao, Perez... grow up. please...

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Rotten compared to who. Bush Jr, Clinton, Obama, Putin, Jintao, Perez... grow up. please...

He is rotten compared to 99% of the worlds population.

If you're ok with governments murdering innocent people, you need to leave this movement. It's disgusting.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Id rather have Gaddafi as president than Obama.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

He is rotten compared to 99% of the worlds population.

If you're ok with governments murdering innocent people, you need to leave this movement. It's disgusting.

His body might be rotting by now , while you voice opinion.

Ron seems to prefer staying out of other nation's politics , so perhaps you should ask yourself why you are here.

The USG murders innocent people in America and around the world everyday, we are trying to stop that. Get it ?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

His body might be rotting by now , while you voice opinion.

Ron seems to prefer staying out of other nation's politics , so perhaps you should ask yourself why you are here.

The USG murders innocent people in America and around the world everyday, we are trying to stop that. Get it ?

Dude made a thread about going ancap a few days ago, and you're suggesting he'd advocate sending in US forces to take out Gadhafi Duck? lololol

 

[Cutlerzzz]

His body might be rotting by now , while you voice opinion.

Ron seems to prefer staying out of other nation's politics , so perhaps you should ask yourself why you are here.

The USG murders innocent people in America and around the world everyday, we are trying to stop that. Get it ?

Ron has never said that individual Americans should not exercise their right to freedom of speech, and condemn killers and socialists in other countries. He is against the US government intervening in other countries affairs, not individuals speaking their mind.

Clearly, there are people in this thread doing more than just opposing the war. Some people here are commending Gaddafi, denying his crimes, and endorsing his socialistic economic policies.

 

[susano]

The "rebels" also apparently moonlight in the banking industry as they took the time out to create a central bank mid-revolution, before they even took the country over.

Its almost funny to watch them celebrate, knowing that they are soon to be exploited by the international banking cabal, and that foreign oil companies are going to rape them, and the fact that NATO really isnt in the business of putting 'nice' puppet governments in. They like guys that cut heads off with swords to keep the people in line.

Qadaffi may well have been a shithead and a tyrant for some in Libya, but I'm not thinking Thomas Jefferson Muhammed is going to be their next president and create a model of freedom over there. 10 years from now it will be worse, I'd put $100 on it.

Yup, those filthy shills in media just reported that absurdity and never missed a beat. Bastards.

 

[wowrevolution]

The only thing "rogue" about most "rogue states" is that they don't have a bank controlled by the rothschilds.

 

[Becker]

Yep- a desirable economy we should try to emulate. Government spending also makes up 43% of GDP- higher than the 38% of GDP in the US (though not by a ton). Government much more involved in people's and business's lives there too.

("Freedom scale" goes up to 100 with 100 indicating the most freedom- their overall score ranks them as #173 globally)

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/Libya

Who cares about freedom? They got a GOLD STANDARD, and they're the richest country in Africa!

 

[susano]

Some of you make my head hurt sometimes.

Gaddafi, who was a dictator, a socialist, a known supporter of terrorism, who had innocent people killed, and ran a tyranical government, was a good guy according to some of you.

I'm sure that there will be a group of people posting about this in the comment sections of articles on other websites, that go something along the lines of "Gaddafi was a good guy set up by the NWO. He wanted peace, gold, and freedom. RON PAUL 2012!!!", giving Paul supporters (and Paul by extension) a bad name. I'm also sure that some on this website will now accuse me of being involved in an international conspiracy theory to overthrow the US government and create a one world government, or at least declare me to be ignorant and have no understanding of the world.

Every assertion you made could have come out of the mouth of NWO tool, Anderson Cooper. Or Hillary Clinton. Or any number of representatives of the empire.

 

[Becker]

Id rather have Gaddafi as president than Obama.

Says Farrakhan.