The REAL Gaddafi and what he wanted to do?

[Cutlerzzz]

Every assertion you made could have come out of the mouth of NWO tool, Anderson Cooper. Or Hillary Clinton. Or any number of representatives of the empire.

Every assertion you just made sounds like it came from a murderous statist defending the actions of a murderous regime.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Who cares about freedom? They got a GOLD STANDARD, and they're the richest country in Africa!

In the end, isn't being better than Zimbabwe and Sudan what it's all about?

 

[susano]

Every assertion you just made sounds like it came from a murderous statist defending the actions of a murderous regime.

You're parroting the same MSM that ridicules and blacks out Ron Paul.

Libya is a tribal society with a complex (recent) colonial history, including Italian fascism. They now have homes, free water and power, education and health care. That's about to change because of the NWO and NATO. So, while you're calling the guy who improved their quality of life a murderous dictator, they just got the business end of a real, wholesale murder machine. Now comes the IMF and debt slavery. What's your label for that?

I'm a constitutionalist but I'm an American. I know enough about life to respect that other places in the world live differently. It's their choice. If this were an actual revolution it would be different. Libya was attacked by NATO, with mercenaries, foreign special forces, and a handful of very short sighted and stupid Libyans who took the time, in the middle of their "revolution" to cut a deal selling out their countrymen to the banksters. Their sovereignty is gone, now, and so will be their oil and gold.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

it's ok

judgement is near

all will be held accountable for what they have done , said , and promoted in this world

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

the spirits won't give a shit if you followed the TOU or not

 

[Diurdi]

So who the hell thought it was a great Idea to say "Gaddafi is a Great Man" and then after that write "Ron Paul 2012" on youtube? And then upvote it 30+ times?

Are you fucking nuts?


Not only that, but the video goes through how he created a massive socialist country where "a house is a human right". Where they have socialized medicine, where they have socialized energy, socialized education. Seriously, some people are really brain dead.

 

[Demigod]

They will be making Gadaffi out of mud in a few months when they see what "NATO" brought democracy is like.

This was not a Libyan rebellion to get Gadaffi out.If it was it would have been just like Romania and Chausesku.There it was all done in 24 hours.The people rebelled the military joined in they caught him,shot him game over.

 

[harley95]

Excellant post ..Thank you ..!

 

[s35wf]

MY Humble Opinion:

I'm Sure Gaddaffi Had done Both Good & Bad things to his people. ALL/EVERY Man, woman, and child on this planet earth has both good & evil in them...just varies by degrees.

1. Libya civil war should be THEIR War.....NOT OURS, NATO's OR ANYONE Elses! Stay Out of ALL Other Countries Affairs!
2. If WE ARE Supposed to be a Country based on the RULE of LAW & JUSTICE...Gaddaffi Should NOT have been sodomized & MURDERED...He WAS Caught ALIVE and should have been incarcerated till having his day in Court! hell they even gave Saddem a trial before they hanged him... At the VERY Least he should have gotten a "Trial" by peers!

RON PAUL 2012!

 

[BlackTerrel]

Pretend Gadaffi was a threat to me? I never made any such claim and never believed him to be a threat to the United States. He was, however, a threat to his own people.

Dude you have far more patience than me. You've basically made about 15 posts of valid points and instead of debating you're getting a lot of "oh you must worship Obama" or "you think the government never lies".

Yeh, just like Egyptians are better off now without Mubarek

When the protests first started most on these forums were cheering "the fall of the US puppet Mubarak". Me and a couple others were arguing to take a step back.

I wish the US didn't get involved, and it's quite possible that what comes next will be worse. But to claim Ghadaffi was anything less than a dictator is absurd.

 

[BlackTerrel]

You're parroting the same MSM that ridicules and blacks out Ron Paul.

The same MSM that blacks out Ron Paul mocks Harold Camping therefore Harold Camping must be right. Clearly.

 

[BattleFlag1776]

So who the hell thought it was a great Idea to say "Gaddafi is a Great Man" and then after that write "Ron Paul 2012" on youtube? And then upvote it 30+ times?

Are you fucking nuts?


Not only that, but the video goes through how he created a massive socialist country where "a house is a human right". Where they have socialized medicine, where they have socialized energy, socialized education. Seriously, some people are really brain dead.

They are not brain dead; they just don't want Ron Paul to be elected President.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

You're parroting the same MSM that ridicules and blacks out Ron Paul.

Libya is a tribal society with a complex (recent) colonial history, including Italian fascism.

The MSM is correct in calling Gaddafi a monster.

They now have homes, free water and power, education and health care. That's about to change because of the NWO and NATO. So, while you're calling the guy who improved their quality of life a murderous dictator, they just got the business end of a real, wholesale murder machine.

Nice to see that you're showing your true colors and embracing government provided homes, water, power, education, and healthcare. Gaddafi improved their quality of life? No, the government did not. Oil trade did. Unless Gaddafi put that oil in the ground, he deserves no credit. If you understood Austrian Economics, you would understand that nationalized industries, subsidies, and price controls are bad.

I know enough about life to respect that other places in the world live differently.

I don't respect tribal societies that kill innocent people, personally. I'm pro liberty.

 

[asurfaholic]

Hi. I am trying to stay out of this discussion as best I can, but does anyone have any real evidence that gadaffi had his own people killed?

I have only found some articles suggesting that even after rebels stormed his police departments and cities, gadaffi ordered his loyalist troops not to return fire, but retreat.

Not sure if its true. Regarding the terrorist attacks, there is too much speculation that there was a faulty case against him, with no real evidence.

I monitor several video sites that regularly post videos of civilians and others getting shot and killed, aftermath and caught on camera. I have never seen one from Libya. Not that this is proof of non violence, but still stands out as important to me..

Another very valid question I have is why Libya, and not Syria? If we really care about people and all.........I could post a hundred videos of syrian protesters of all ages, shot by their government. Why should I believe that we went to bomb gadaffi for humanitarian reasons?

 

[objectivefreedom]

First video - I was unable to watch it with audio, so I may have missed out on the point of that video... in any case...

(a) homes a human right
(b) newly married couples receive $50,000 to buy their own home
(c) free electricity
(d) Gaddafi vowed to house every Libyan
(e) free education
(f) free healthcare
(g) interest-free loans
(h) government pays 50% of car price
(i) ...this represented around 95% of the population of Tripoli

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^^^ there's absolutely nothing Ron Paul esq about the points above... the fact that the highest rated comment on that video is "R.I.P Gaddafi you were a great man death to the new world order. Ron paul 2012" is tragic.

(a), (b), (d) - Entitlements? Positive rights? Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Where's the $50,000 coming from? Oh, it's coming from the STATE bank, not the horrible Rothschild bank, I get it.
(c) Total subsidies?
(e), (f) - More entitlements? Communist manifesto anyone?
(g) - Artificially low interest rates? Did somebody order a bubble machine?
(h) - Does cash for clunkers ring a bell?
(i) - Oh, so collectivism is a justification for all ends? Majority = morality. Ok.

I'm not sure what the first video was advocating... that Gaddafi was a renown Keynsian and that's why the U.N. / rebels took him out? Ha. If anything, those are the very reasons why he remained in power for 40 years.

 

[asurfaholic]

And cutlerz, I respect your opinion, but how do you know that in THAT society, a strong dictatorship is not the best thing for the people? Could it be true that the area is so unstable that a democracy would always lead to failure and internal wars? How do we rightfully say that other parts of the world would be better off if they were more like us?

Maybe they wern't as free as us, but with (don't shoot, I don't have a source) 90% of the tribes being supportive of Gadaffi, can't we say at least they were well taken care of?

Seeing very brutal videos of how the rebels treat their POW surface recently, are you SURE that it is good that gadaffi is a goner?

 

[Cutlerzzz]

And cutlerz, I respect your opinion, but how do you know that in THAT society, a strong dictatorship is not the best thing for the people?

Do I need to explain why a strong dictator with socialist policies is the antithesis of Liberty and what Paul believes in? Or that socialism is inherently inefficient?

 

[asurfaholic]

No, I get that part

I want proof of the claims that he killed innocent civilians, and more importantly, why do we feel the need to condemn socialism (or any non democratic system) in a historically unstable area.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Yep- a desirable economy we should try to emulate. Government spending also makes up 43% of GDP- higher than the 38% of GDP in the US (though not by a ton). Government much more involved in people's and business's lives there too.

("Freedom scale" goes up to 100 with 100 indicating the most freedom- their overall score ranks them as #173 globally)

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/Libya

Zippy, always the devil's advocate to anything opposing the power elite's plan. Of course Qadaffi's system wasn't perfect, but he didn't jump on the bandwagon of loaning out money at interest, and many things are free or paid for directly by the government. Regardless of your view of freedom, it sounds a hell of a lot better than what we have here. The people were actually pretty well off. Nobody's saying he's a libertarian. He believes in direct democracy, whoch most people here despise. Without the rule of law, that does seem like the best alternative, although I would definitely advocate the rule of law with a moral grounding for justice, not direct democracy. I don't see why you have to shit all over the truth by distracting from the real issue. In this case, it's opposing the world power elite. You seem to rather like defending them on here.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Some posters on this board are pathetic, and have no concept of liberty. It's amazing that to some of you, only the US government is evil. Not every government (violent monopoly), just the US government.

Gaddafi was one of the most evil men in the world. He was a socialist, a killer, a terrorist, and a dictator. The first video was bragging about how great his socialist economy is, full of free houses, electricity, health care, and a free $50,000 dollars at the tax payers expense. Anyone who endorses the policies Gaddafi passed is nothing more than a socialist, and a bigger one than Obama could dream of being.

I'm not necessarily defending Qadaffi's beliefs. I'm not a fan of socialism or democracy. But the big difference between his system and our system is that he didn't charge interest on loans and therefore, did not need to inflate the money supply. That is a huge difference that you seem to be ignoring. Maybe the guy was a tyrant, but he wasn't as bad as the US government would have us believe he was. There are many countries under Rothschild owned banks that are much worse. For some reason, though, Libya was targeted. Hmm... wonder why? Could it be that they didn't want to trade their oil in dollars anymore? That's not a threat to the banking elite at all. You should be more critical of what you learn from the media before railing against Qadaffi as being some kind of demon. Not saying he was good, per se, but perhaps you wouldn't be so riled up over it if you had a realistic aspect that didn't come from the government owned media.