The Official Texas Results Thread

[enoch150]

Why is this bad?

It's a property rights issue. Deporting illegals and fining businesses who hire illegals implies that the government controls all property. If I own and control my property, then I should have the right to hire whomever I please to work there or invite anyone I please to live there. The government should only have a say in controlling access to government services.

 

[LostNFoundNTx]

Can someone explain how Ron got 40% in Virginia (where he also didn't campaign) but only 12% in his home state?
Is Texas even more of a vortex of suck than I realized?

Edit: This is an answer to the above question, not an expression of what I personally believe.

People are being told that now is not the time to be divided in our votes. We need to send a message that we are rallied behind the nominee now that only one person is still in the running. Voting for others will only show that Republicans are not happy with their own choice of candidate which is a mindset that will give Obama a second term.

There is no need to program the voting machines in for or against a candidate when you can program the people and leave no evidence.

 

[romancito]

Can someone explain how Ron got 40% in Virginia (where he also didn't campaign) but only 12% in his home state?
Is Texas even more of a vortex of suck than I realized?

It is quite difficult to understand. But the people of Virginia vote on principle. Texans are as far from principle as anyone can be. Texans are for big. Whatever is big that's what they want. Romney is for big. Ron is for less. Having said that, Ron won in Texas because he got less.

 

[fisharmor]

It is quite difficult to understand. But the people of Virginia vote on principle. Texans are as far from principle as anyone can be. Texans are for big. Whatever is big that's what they want. Romney is for big. Ron is for less. Having said that, Ron won in Texas because he got less.

I live in VA and though it's never talked about, this place is soaked with the blood of people who actually tried to resist federal tyranny.... I just didn't think that had played into the vote totals.

 

[Origanalist]

It's a property rights issue. Deporting illegals and fining businesses who hire illegals implies that the government controls all property. If I own and control my property, then I should have the right to hire whomever I please to work there or invite anyone I please to live there. The government should only have a say in controlling access to government services.

Government services; roads, schools, fire departments, police, medical care, food stamps, multiple language literature, etc. etc.

As long as the illegals you hire and invite are using these, (and they do it in very large numbers) which are paid for by taking MY property, I believe I have a say in who you hire and invite. When and if these persons no longer have access to my property also your statement will be true.

And that day cannot come fast enough.

 

[enoch150]

Government services; roads, schools, fire departments, police, medical care, food stamps, multiple language literature, etc. etc.

As long as the illegals you hire and invite are using these, (and they do it in very large numbers) which are paid for by taking MY property, I believe I have a say in who you hire and invite. When and if these persons no longer have access to my property also your statement will be true. And that day cannot come fast enough.

No. You have a say in whether or not they receive foodstamps, and whatnot, so long as those government services exist. But if they do not receive any government services (and as an an-cap, I would get rid of them all, for citizens and illegals alike), then you have no say in who can live and work on my property. Opposing this position is opposing property rights, which are the foundation of liberty.

 

[Ronulus]

It is quite difficult to understand. But the people of Virginia vote on principle. Texans are as far from principle as anyone can be. Texans are for big. Whatever is big that's what they want. Romney is for big. Ron is for less. Having said that, Ron won in Texas because he got less.

Virginia also only had 2 people on the ballot, Ron Paul or Romney. Texas still had like 10 people on the ballot. I mean look at Santorum, he still got nearly 100,000 votes because he was left on the ballot. If all those people that selected someone not in the race had chose the 'non romney' option it would have been 30% for paul.

 

[Origanalist]

No. You have a say in whether or not they receive foodstamps, and whatnot, so long as those government services exist. But if they do not receive any government services (and as an an-cap, I would get rid of them all, for citizens and illegals alike), then you have no say in who can live and work on my property. Opposing this position is opposing property rights, which are the foundation of liberty.

If the illegals you hire and invite use none of these services, we have no reason for disagreement. However, such is not the case.

If the government did not take one persons property and give it to another, we would have no need for this conversation.

 

[Carlybee]

It is quite difficult to understand. But the people of Virginia vote on principle. Texans are as far from principle as anyone can be. Texans are for big. Whatever is big that's what they want. Romney is for big. Ron is for less. Having said that, Ron won in Texas because he got less.

No, the GOP is well funded and well organized here. I and others tried to tell people this. The campaign suspended spending right before our primary as well but the domination by the GOP was already in place before that even happened. The talk shows here are dominated by Rush and Hannity and the local versions of them and that is the mindset of the establishment. The announcement by Benton came a few days before there was to be a big Ron Paul rally in Austin. Not everyone got the memo that the race was still on. We were never going to convince the neocons to break rank. Texas oil has deep pockets and support the establishment. I got full color brochures from GOP candidates starting 2 months bfore the election. I got zilch from the Ron Paul campaign.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

People are being told that now is not the time to be divided in our votes. We need to send a message that we are rallied behind the nominee now that only one person is still in the running. Voting for others will only show that Republicans are not happy with their own choice of candidate which is a mindset that will give Obama a second term.

Hey, let's all lie and be fake so we can elect one fake liar to replace another fake liar. I can't wait. lol

 

[romancito]

Lets all get behind the next war president.

 

[Carlybee]

Until a liberty candidate wins they will all be war presidents.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Most people on this thread are not Americans. Certainly not too many Texans either.

What's wrong with these Americans!!!

The media attacks were successful; that's what happened. And Dr. Paul, whether we like it or not, stuck his foot in it more than a few times. Consider all the times that the impression was left that he would get rid of Social Security. Consider that he didn't consistently tell people how he would DEFEND the country, so a great many people think that he just wouldn't. For some reason, I've talked to many in a variety of states who were under the impression that he hated Israel and did not support the troops/veterans. Now, I can understand why they would get the latter impression if they read on this forum much, but Dr. Paul certainly never said anything that I heard that should have given them that impression.

Bottom line, many Americans have the incorrect impression of Dr. Paul.

 

[MarcusI]

Can someone explain how Ron got 40% in Virginia (where he also didn't campaign) but only 12% in his home state?
Is Texas even more of a vortex of suck than I realized?

Paul would have got 15% or so in Virginia if Santa and Grinch were on the ballot.

- Romney was not the presumptive nominee at the time
- Santa and Grinch supporters voted Paul in VA

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The media attacks were successful; that's what happened. And Dr. Paul, whether we like it or not, stuck his foot in it more than a few times. Consider all the times that the impression was left that he would get rid of Social Security. Consider that he didn't consistently tell people how he would DEFEND the country, so a great many people think that he just wouldn't. For some reason, I've talked to many in a variety of states who were under the impression that he hated Israel and did not support the troops/veterans. Now, I can understand why they would get the latter impression if they read on this forum much, but Dr. Paul certainly never said anything that I heard that should have given them that impression.

Bottom line, many Americans have the incorrect impression of Dr. Paul.

Well, luckily, more and more people are starting to see the media as the propagandists they are. There are several people who see the media blatantly lie today that simply didn't see it in 2008. It is like many other video or audio tricks. Once you start seeing it, you see it from there on out. We are at least gaining ground toward the truth.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Paul would have got 15% or so in Virginia if Santa and Grinch were on the ballot.

- Romney was not the presumptive nominee at the time
- Santa and Grinch supporters voted Paul in VA

That explains part of it. Don't forget all of the Democrats who voted for Paul in VA. The same thing happened in VT. It was still competitive back them, the Democrats got heavily involved.

 

[Carlybee]

Where he did the best and worst in Texas

http://blog.chron.com/election/2012/05/ron-pauls-texas-where-did-he-do-best-and-worst-on-tuesday/

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

The media attacks were successful; that's what happened. And Dr. Paul, whether we like it or not, stuck his foot in it more than a few times. Consider all the times that the impression was left that he would get rid of Social Security. Consider that he didn't consistently tell people how he would DEFEND the country, so a great many people think that he just wouldn't. For some reason, I've talked to many in a variety of states who were under the impression that he hated Israel and did not support the troops/veterans. Now, I can understand why they would get the latter impression if they read on this forum much, but Dr. Paul certainly never said anything that I heard that should have given them that impression.

Bottom line, many Americans have the incorrect impression of Dr. Paul.

While it's true that Dr. Paul has said a few things I think maybe he shouldn't, it does not matter. Think for a second how many times OTHER candidates say the wrong thing yet it does not hurt them. It's obviously NOT what they say, it's how the media reports on it. If you think about it, I think Dr. Paul is smart enough to see what the media is doing and he's smart enough to KNOW that the media is one of the enemies of liberty. He's also smart enough to have read books like Sun Tsu's The Are Of War and he realizes that he needs to use his enemies weakness while at the same time APPEARING weak to the opponents. We have yet to see what will come out of convention, and I for one have learned that Ron Paul is smarter than I am and way more experienced in how to deal with the crooked system. He may very well be leveraging the enemies strength against them. Time will tell...

 

[Karsten]

I don't get why people thought from the beginning that we would have Texas in the bag. Ron was the congressman from one of many texas district, not a statewide figure.

 

[Txrose4ever]

I am really ashamed that Texas didn't do better for Paul. People did not vote for Romney because they are enthusiastic about thim. All they care about is getting Obama out of office.