The Official Iowa Caucus Thread

[nobody's_hero]

Tulsi's got a tough fight. The only dem willing to have a rational debate with republicans didn't even make the scoreboard.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Tulsi's got a tough fight. The only dem willing to have a rational debate with republicans didn't even make the scoreboard.

The left is unsalvageable.

Eventually we will separate from them, the only question is whether it will it be peacefully or violently.

 

[kpitcher]

The left is unsalvageable.

Eventually we will separate from them, the only question is whether it will it be peacefully or violently.

The republicans have been lost since they went all out against Dr. Paul. The first few years of Trump's term when Republicans were in complete control showed they had no vision, no fiscal conservatives, no intention of anything other than business as usual.

The one tiny bit of good to come of this is that at least finally democrats have the smallest taste of completely failed / rigged elections, it is being covered and not ignored like the anything but Paul smear by the RNC and faux news. Sure the DNC made sure Bernie couldn't get the nod last time around but that only came out after and wasn't a big deal like the days waiting for results is becoming.

We need the existing structures that have shown they can fail spectacularly to be replaced with something other than simple D or R.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The republicans have been lost since they went all out against Dr. Paul. The first few years of Trump's term when Republicans were in complete control showed they had no vision, no fiscal conservatives, no intention of anything other than business as usual.

The one tiny bit of good to come of this is that at least finally democrats have the smallest taste of completely failed / rigged elections, it is being covered and not ignored like the anything but Paul smear by the RNC and faux news. Sure the DNC made sure Bernie couldn't get the nod last time around but that only came out after and wasn't a big deal like the days waiting for results is becoming.

We need the existing structures that have shown they can fail spectacularly to be replaced with something other than simple D or R.

It would be good if the Republican Party could be replaced, but I wasn't talking about parties, I was talking about voterbases, the right can be salvaged while the left cannot.

 

[Todd]

The left is unsalvageable.

Eventually we will separate from them, the only question is whether it will it be peacefully or violently.

I'm not sure why anyone would think this when the global trends point towards more Globalization, collectivism, Social justice, Socialism, and moral relativism.

Just because the DNC is in complete meltdown, should not be a complete measure or Progressive belief systems that are systemic in our culture.

 

[unknown]

DNC to Court: We Are a Private Corporation With No Obligation to Follow Our Rules

I would imagine that the same holds true for the RNC.

 

[nobody's_hero]

DNC to Court: We Are a Private Corporation With No Obligation to Follow Our Rules

I would imagine that the same holds true for the RNC.

They should give back the money they get in states that have taxpayer funded primaries then. Both major parties get huge subsidies from taxpayers to assist in carrying out the selection process for candidates so for them to hide behind the 'private organization' label is laughable.

 

[Raqs]

The left is unsalvageable.

Eventually we will separate from them, the only question is whether it will it be peacefully or violently.

I think that USA will not separate. I am confident that the glue to keep the USA in one piece is stronger than separation.

 

[Warlord]

HAHAH still no results?! this is a screw job! Roll on New Hampshire where Bernie will surely win.

 

[devil21]

HAHAH still no results?! this is a screw job! Roll on New Hampshire where Bernie will surely win.

See posts 179 and 180 for the results that the DNC approved of.

 

[tfurrh]

HAHAH still no results?! this is a screw job! Roll on New Hampshire where Bernie will surely win.

I mean...it's literally just counting.

 

[Todd]

HAHAH still no results?! this is a screw job! Roll on New Hampshire where Bernie will surely win.

Or where Biden or Warren will "Make their stand" defining moment.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I think that USA will not separate. I am confident that the glue to keep the USA in one piece is stronger than separation.

If the country doesn't separate the people will.

One side or the other will leave or be thrown out.

 

[Swordsmyth]

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[TH="class: e-th e-percent"]Pct.[/TH]
[TH="class: e-th e-del"] Pledged delegates [/TH]
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[TH="class: e-cell e-name e-swatch-light e-dem-4"] Pete Buttigieg [/TH]
[TD="class: e-cell e-votes"] 512 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-percent"] 26.7% [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-del"] 11 [/TD]
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[/TD]
[TH="class: e-cell e-name"] Bernie Sanders [/TH]
[TD="class: e-cell e-votes"] 488 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-percent"] 25.4 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-del"] 11 [/TD]
[/TR]
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[/TD]
[TH="class: e-cell e-name"] Elizabeth Warren [/TH]
[TD="class: e-cell e-votes"] 352 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-percent"] 18.3 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-del"] 5 [/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: e-cell e-img e-has-clr-bar"]
[/TD]
[TH="class: e-cell e-name"] Joseph R. Biden Jr. [/TH]
[TD="class: e-cell e-votes"] 306 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-percent"] 15.9 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-del"] 0 [/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: e-cell e-img e-has-clr-bar"]
[/TD]
[TH="class: e-cell e-name"] Amy Klobuchar [/TH]
[TD="class: e-cell e-votes"] 232 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-percent"] 12.1 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-del"] 0 [/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: e-cell e-img e-has-clr-bar"]
[/TD]
[TH="class: e-cell e-name"] Others [/TH]
[TD="class: e-cell e-votes"] 30 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-percent"] 1.6 [/TD]
[TD="class: e-cell e-del"] 0[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[oyarde]

Comrade 11 , Bootyjudge 11 , Pocahauntus 5 .

 

[Swordsmyth]

Whatever the cause, we can rest assured it is not because TPTB want to end Iowa's outsized influence in elections and end caucuses entirely in favor of a national primary day.

I'm certain we won't be inundated tomorrow with commentaries asking why we place so much emphasis on Iowa and why do we still have caucuses, any way? Won't be any of that.

Yet another example of Trump opposing TPTB:

It is not the fault of Iowa, it is the Do Nothing Democrats fault. As long as I am President, Iowa will stay where it is. Important tradition! https://t.co/bX3FLvua1C
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 4, 2020

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[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1224560674770247681

 

[Zippyjuan]

Yet another example of Trump opposing TPTB:

It is not the fault of Iowa, it is the Do Nothing Democrats fault. As long as I am President, Iowa will stay where it is. Important tradition! https://t.co/bX3FLvua1C
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 4, 2020

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He has no say in the matter other than to express his personal opinion.

 

[Swordsmyth]

He has no say in the matter other than to express his personal opinion.

He has great influence with the public and the Republican Party.
The GOP will keep it even if the Demoncrats embarrass themselves and decide to anger Iowans.

 

[Zippyjuan]

He has great influence with the public and the Republican Party.
The GOP will keep it even if the Demoncrats embarrass themselves and decide to anger Iowans.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/4/21121923/iowa-caucuses-rules-first

The way the primary system currently works, states have quite a lot of leeway to determine their placement in the calendar.

“There’s never been a controlling legal authority when it came to the nomination process,” University of New Hampshire political science professor Dante Scala tells Vox. “States have a good amount of freedom to set the dates of their primary, and so forth.”

This flexibility was evident this cycle, as states including California and North Carolina decided to move up the dates of their primaries to “Super Tuesday” on March 3, in order to have more influence on the process.

In the past, some states have attempted to jump to the front of the calendar, mostly unsuccessfully. To prevent them from doing so, the DNC and RNC have penalized those that try to mess with primary timing.

In 2008, for example, both Michigan and Florida shifted their primaries right after those of Iowa and New Hampshire in defiance of DNC rules, in a bid to shape the outcome of the race. Michigan held its primary on January 15, while Florida did the same on January 29.