The Minimum wage belongs at $14 per hour.

[LibertyRevolution]

What would really solve this problem is an unconditional Basic Income. A livable wage for all, regardless of if you're working or not.

I'm sure if we both write to Bernie we can get him on board.

No need, Bernie likes the Denmark model, the unemployed there get about $100 a day.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Maybe we should get rid of minimum wage so that companies can pay employees $1 an hour and then everyone can collect welfare?

I'm with you comrade. The minimum wage right now is $7.25, and obviously no company is going to pay more than that, so we should at least thank our government that we make that much.

 

[Occam's Banana]

But we want more high paying jobs, right?

Who is "we" ... ?

Why should this "we" be permitted to dictate how much a job must pay before it is to be considered a "high paying" one?

And having dictated such, why should this "we" then be permitted to dictate how many of such "high paying" jobs there should or should not be?

Or do we want more even lower paying jobs?

Who is "we" ... ?

Why should this "we" be permitted to dictate how little a job must pay before it is to be considered a "low paying" one?

And having dictated such, why should this "we" then be permitted to dictate how many of such "low paying" jobs there should or should not be?

How many here are volunteering to have their wages reduced because they are paid too much?

Not me. So what?

When employers are forced to pay some minimum wage, it is otiose to speak of someone "volunteering" to have their wages reduced.

How many of the jobless "volunteered" to have no wages at all (because they otherwise might have been paid "too little" according to your "we")?

Or is it "everybody but me is paid too much"?

If someone has to be forced to pay me as much as I am being paid, then I am ipso facto being paid "too much."

(But I'm sure the unemployed appreciate your concern that others who do have jobs might not consider themselves to be overpaid ... )

 

[LibertyRevolution]

I'm with you comrade. The minimum wage right now is $7.25, and obviously no company is going to pay more than that...

Want to know what it would be like without minimum wage, just look at farm wages before the Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Workers Protection Act of 1983.

Please see "Harvest of Shame" if you need more info..

Hell, the small farms around here still only pay $3.25/hr, as they are exempt from The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).
12 hours a day, no overtime, $39 a day, using 14 years olds forced to work the fields by their parents.

But hey, no company would treat their workers like slaves if their was no minimum wage, right? ......

 

[Occam's Banana]

Hell, the small farms around here still only pay $3.25/hr, as they are exempt from The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).
12 hours a day, no overtime, $39 a day, using 14 years olds forced to work the fields by their parents.

But hey, no company would treat their workers like slaves if their was no minimum wage, right? ......

Gee, I didn't know children are to parents as employees are to companies.

I also didn't know (difference between "slave" and "not a slave") = (minimum wage - $3.25/hr. + value of parental obligations (room/board/etc.)).

And did I mention ?

 

[tod evans]

Gee, I didn't know children are to parents as employees are to companies.

I also didn't know (difference between "slave" and "not a slave") = (minimum wage - $3.25/hr. + value of parental obligations (room/board/etc.)).

And did I mention ?

My kid makes $5.00hr to help clean the shop........

He's not worth $7.25 yet.....

 

[Suzanimal]

My kid makes $5.00hr to help clean the shop........

He's not worth $7.25 yet.....

My kids get paid in hugs and kisses. They make money doing yard work for neighbors - except the old man across the street and the handicapped man; they don't charge them. Apparently, they also helped another neighbor split and stack some firewood and my youngest told him to remember this favor and one day he would need a favor. That concerns me a bit because he had just watched a Godfather marathon.

 

[tod evans]

My kids get paid in hugs and kisses. They make money doing yard work for neighbors - except the old man across the street and the handicapped man; they don't charge them. Apparently, they also helped another neighbor split and stack some firewood and my youngest told him to remember this favor and one day he would need a favor. That concerns me a bit because he had just watched a Godfather marathon.

Mine gets nothing for house/yard work....

The shop is our income and I'm trying to instill a good work/reward ethic in that environment....

 

[Suzanimal]

Mine gets nothing for house/yard work....

The shop is our income and I'm trying to instill a good work/reward ethic in that environment....

Ah, makes sense. I let mine use my tools but had to withhold use of the riding lawnmower for a few weeks last summer because they kept "forgetting" to put gas in it.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Mine gets nothing for house/yard work....

The shop is our income and I'm trying to instill a good work/reward ethic in that environment....

My dad's slogan was "no workie no eatie". If you aren't working a real job, you were expected to be doing work around the house or the yard.

 

[Suzanimal]

My dad's slogan was "no workie no eatie". If you aren't working a real job, you were expected to be doing work around the house or the yard.

My dad's slogan was, "git off your ass and go cut the damn grass or I'll git your mama in here after ya".

 

[Zippyjuan]

I cut grass (or shoveled snow depending on the season) for our house and one of the neighbors. Hand push- not powered- mower. If you let the grass get too high between cuts, that thing was a pain to try to push through it.

 

[angelatc]

the shame, when libertarians agree with liberals. you're right, libertarians should support low wages, and embrace automation induced unemployment.

Real Libertarians only agree with liberals on their occasional anti-war messaging and certain social issues. Never on government control over wages and markets.

 

[anaconda]

Minimum wage belongs at zero.

^This!

 

[angelatc]

Want to know what it would be like without minimum wage, just look at farm wages before the Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Workers Protection Act of 1983.

Please see "Harvest of Shame" if you need more info..

Hell, the small farms around here still only pay $3.25/hr, as they are exempt from The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).
12 hours a day, no overtime, $39 a day, using 14 years olds forced to work the fields by their parents.

But hey, no company would treat their workers like slaves if their was no minimum wage, right? ......

Kids don't need a living wage.

 

[Lucille]

the shame, when libertarians agree with liberals. you're right, libertarians should support low wages, and embrace automation induced unemployment.

But we want more high paying jobs, right? Or do we want more even lower paying jobs? How many here are volunteering to have their wages reduced because they are paid too much? Or is it "everybody but me is paid too much"?

Same statist script, different statist dumbasses. Tell your boss you need new material, and RPF deserves a better class of "provocateur."

The "Minimum Wage" Surged In 6 Cities Last Year; Then This Happened
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-06/minimum-wage-surged-6-cities-last-year-then-happened

The Chart That No Minimum-Wage-Supporting Socialist Wants You To See
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-06/chart-no-minimum-wage-supporting-socialist-wants-you-see

The True Minimum Wage Is $0 Per Hour
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-28/true-minimum-wage-0-hour

 

[DamianTV]

Lets say for a second that a $14 an hour Minimum Wage is enacted. This is what happens:

From this article:

The Chart That No Minimum-Wage-Supporting Socialist Wants You To See - Zero Hedge
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-06/chart-no-minimum-wage-supporting-sociaGlist-wants-you-see

Government is the great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. Inflation has put employers at odds with employees, both blame each other. And when neither side gets what they want, too many want government to come in and force the other side to fix the issue, which really only makes the problem worse and never addresses the elephant in the room. People do need more money to live on. That is true. But trying to get government to fix it is like trying to ask Ben Bernanke to rig a poker game so one person always wins. My two cents on what is happening here is that what small businesses and employees are doing is fighting over the Table Scraps that are left to us by the 70 or so people that control HALF of the wealth of the entire planet. The value of the fiat US currency has evaporated, and people on both sides climb all over each other in order to try to offset that loss by increasing the quantity of what they can get their hands on. The value is what has been stolen, which, in turn, demands an increase in quantity. The value of the US Dollar has dropped by 97% thanks to the Central Banks. Getting ahold of 3% of whats left is better than 0% of nothing. Pundits for Central Banks will always claim the solution to the evaporation of the value of a currency will be to print more currency. And that is basically the mental trap that supporters of Minimum Wage laws tend to fall into. Its not that these are bad people, but they have mostly been fooled by the nature of the system. When an honest man finds out he is mistaken, he can either choose to be no longer be mistaken, or no longer be honest, but can not be both.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Note on Seattle data: The NSA region includes nearby cities which did not raise their minimum wages. (SA meaning "Statistical Area")

The Seattle-area data cover the entire Seattle-Bellevue-Everett metro, of which Seattle is one-fourth of the population.

Also to note, this is only the beginning of the minimum wage increase for the area. Over the next few years it will be expanded to cover more businesses and go from the current $11 to $15 an hour (2017 for the largest employers, 2021 for smaller ones).

Yet Seattle’s minimum-wage hikes were only just getting started. The minimum wage rose last April from the statewide $9.47 to $11 an hour for companies with more than 500 employees. For smaller employers, the minimum got a smaller bump to $10. That rose again to $10.50 at the start of 2016, or $12 for employees who don’t get employer health insurance.

http://www.investors.com/news/economy/hiring-slowed-where-minimum-wage-surged-in-2015/

 

[oyarde]

My kids get paid in hugs and kisses. They make money doing yard work for neighbors - except the old man across the street and the handicapped man; they don't charge them. Apparently, they also helped another neighbor split and stack some firewood and my youngest told him to remember this favor and one day he would need a favor. That concerns me a bit because he had just watched a Godfather marathon.

I used to take care of all the old ladies around the farm like that when I was a kid .Chop up downed trees in the yard , split it , stack it for them . Never took a Cent.Figured they could help me out some time when I needed an Alibi .

 

[Schifference]

I used to take care of all the old ladies around the farm like that when I was a kid .Chop up downed trees in the yard , split it , stack it for them . Never took a Cent.Figured they could help me out some time when I needed an Alibi .

It seems that nowadays a person could do thousands of selfless kind acts but only be remembered for the one time they were an ass.