The Menace of Tariffs

[TheTexan]

So your claim that the OP said all Americans, not most, but all, would die if they tried to be self sufficient was not a false claim?

Your autism is greater than 9000 and I mean that respectfully

"All" or "most" has literally 0 significance to the point of the argument

 

[Invisible Man]

Your autism is greater than 9000 and I mean that respectfully

Thank you.

"All" or "most" has literally 0 significance to the point of the argument

It was the entire point of my reply. It had a 100 percent level of significance. And then in your answer to me you doubled down on it.

Anyone can see that the OP carefully made the exact distinction I pointed out right there in the very same words that you quoted.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The quote doesn't say death for all. It says poverty for all, and death merely for most.

This is what Trump and his minions want for us.
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Interesting. And what did Kamala have in store for us?

 

[CCTelander]

Interesting. And what did Kamala have in store for us?

Kamala wouldn’t have been able to accomplish it to the sound of “thunderous applause,” especially from the so-called “liberty movement.” So there’s that.

 

[TheTexan]

Thank you.


It was the entire point of my reply. It had a 100 percent level of significance. And then in your answer to me you doubled down on it.

Anyone can see that the OP carefully made the exact distinction I pointed out right there in the very same words that you quoted.

I see your autism, and raise you with more autism.

Mathematically, the difference between "all" and "most" approaches and vanishes to zero. So in rational terms, they are equivalent.

 

[fisharmor]

I don't see tariffs as having much part to play in that problem though? Obviously the regulations are bad, but even without the tariffs, any imports are gonna have to follow the regulations. Until the regulations change they're never gonna let you drive a $10,000 car, imported or otherwise?

The point I was originally making is that if you're going to create a bunch of new tariffs, you'd better be sure to clear the aisle so people in America can get through and meet the market demand at least as badly as they're going to without real competition.
A tariff boils down to the exact same thing as a regulation and a tax - it's a removal of options. That's it. Tariff supporters even openly admit this - the entire point is to remove or at least discourage the option of buying from another country.
If your stated goal is to remove options from the marketplace, and you're not going to couple that with opening up other options that are currently closed, then the only possible effect it can have on the consumer is negative.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I think for them it basically comes down to taxes are theft, tariffs are taxes, and therefore tariffs are bad. They then try to formulate arguments that support that position, rather than asking if tariffs are actually bad, which they can't allow themselves to ask because they want "good" to win.

But taxes are not always theft. And tariffs are not always bad.

That mentality is based on slavery pre-conditioning (Thanks Abe)!

Once libertarians get past that mental block that Abe put there, I think their opinions on tariffs might change. I know mine did.

Well said.

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt7bfHf-Zk

 

[Madison320]

The quote doesn't say death for all. It says poverty for all, and death merely for most.

This is what Trump and his minions want for us.

But hey, at least the impoverished survivors would be self-sufficient, like the good old days of homesteaders on the frontier whose lives consisted of nothing other than a constant struggle for survival.

I don't think Trump wants us to be poor, he's just economically ignorant.

If TheTexan got his way and we banned all trade how long do you think it would be before he reversed his decision? I'd give it 2 days.

 

[TheTexan]

If TheTexan got his way and we banned all trade how long do you think it would be before he reversed his decision? I'd give it 2 days.

I would have thought by now you would have a greater appreciation for my stubbornness.

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB9jBpX1yx8

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_gFL82lrsE

 

[Madison320]

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Let’s do everything we can to oppose tariffs. They make us all poorer.​

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An even simpler argument is that taken to its logical conclusion, which would be the elimination of trade, means we'd be worse off than cavemen. We'd all have to be "self-sufficient".