The LP Sold Out: Nominates Anti-Freedom Drug Warrior Bob Barr!

[Menthol Patch]

The Fair Tax is an abomination. No citizen should have to pay a high sales tax!

It does not matter if you make 5K a year or 500K. The Fair Tax is an ABOMINATION.

Bob Barr seems to refuse to say that we should abolish the income tax and replace it with NOTHING!

 

[Menthol Patch]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Not that the irrational ideologue purists aren't ruining it, I can join again.

I'll be glad to leave all of you neo-con cohorts behind.

I don't want to be associated with pure evil scum.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Your willingness to "send people on their way" perplexes me. Is this not about "building" a movement or does that only apply when they agree with you?

I respect voluntary association--I'm not "sending" anyone.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Go ahead and be evil together and support big government!

Just don't think you are anything other than neo-cons.

Because in reality, you are no better than Bush or McCain, Clinton, or Obama.

 

[haaaylee]

why he voted for the patriot act:

Jansen answers the question: If Barr did not support the Act, why did he vote for it? His answer is revealing:

[Barr] worked with a broad coalition of groups -- including conservatives, libertarians, leftists, privacy activists, and even drug policy reform groups -- to protect our civil liberties in the debate.

And here's the important part: He voted for the bill in the Judiciary committee because we needed him to. Only members who voted for it could be on the conference committee that "reconciled" the House and Senate versions.


When different versions of a bill are passed by the two houses of Congress, a "conference committee" is the joint committee of both houses that decides on the final ("reconciled") wording of the Act the President signs into law. As Jansen puts it, "The conference committee is where the real evil takes place."

http://www.nolanchart.com/article3876.html

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

So are you saying he now supports drug legalization?

If so, will he apologize for all the people he helped send to prison?

- That shows how informed on this you really are. He's said a freakin' hundred times that he's against the drug war now. But he's emphasized medical marijuana specifically (just like RP did), b/c he's not an idiot! If you start talking about legalizing crack you're done! It's called "politics", man. In our current environment you have to appeal to as many as possible if you ever want to be in a position to make the big changes.

 

[Menthol Patch]

I'm out of this forum.

I have better things to do than discuss the Party of Neo-con Principles.

 

[Aratus]

folks, if the fall election goes 269 vs 269 as one of the hypothetical scenarios suggest it could,
a perceptive poster here realized what having more republicans in congress would amount to
if such an impasse came to pass. i've been having the prenomition for months, and i thought
it was due to the valiant way hillary clinton chose not to concede after drudge wrote her out of
the presidential sweepstakes after her iowa triumph. now i feel my Id sensed the fall election...

 

[DrSpock]

I respect voluntary association--I'm not "sending" anyone.

Then perhaps you shouldn't invite people to leave.

 

[rajibo]

Maybe the Libertarian Party finally wanted a fragment of legitimacy in the mainstream. You know, maybe to get somebody elected in an office higher than dog catcher.

At least they didn't nominate Gravel. Then it would be truly over.

 

[WRellim]

Your willingness to "send people on their way" perplexes me. Is this not about "building" a movement or does that only apply when they agree with you?

Nope... it's about milking the "RP Movement" for money and the F'ing it over on the way out.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Libertarians have never played "politics." Harry Browne specifically stated that all drugs should be legaized. If Bob Barr is going to be the nominee then he should state flat out that he supports the legalization of all drugs.

Until he does that he is simply a person that likes to throw innocent people in prison so they can be seperated from their families and have their lives ruined.

 

[porcupine]

Barr will probably get my vote. He'll pull in a lot of disaffected Republicans and that will help the party with ballot access as well. He's not as pure as I would be if I ran, but that's why I wouldn't win and he's got a shot.

The disagreements with him are mostly academic since if elected, he wouldn't be able to accomplish half of what we agree on in 4 years anyway.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Maybe the Libertarian Party finally wanted a fragment of legitimacy in the mainstream. You know, maybe to get somebody elected in an office higher than dog catcher.

At least they didn't nominate Gravel. Then it would be truly over.

Legitimacy is sticking to your principles and supporting freedom.

 

[Aratus]

if bob barr actually does win in november, would he let mike gravel run his dep't of agriculture?

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

Probably 1,000 of Menthol's 4000+ posts were anti-Blimp propaganda. I think the anti-Barr wailing will accomplish as much.

Sheesh. Ron Paul ran on a modified LP platform and the purists were crying "foul" then too.

- Ironically, that's b/c they themselves are what they despise - close minded. They want someone who is pure blood all the time and then they bitch b/c the party doesn't grow. They don't realize that in order for the party to grow you have to lure them in with someone they can relate to. It's very simple marketing. You have to have a product that sells if you want your business to grow. A "legalize it all" candidate is poor marketing, hence, the party has remained uneffective for all these years.

The Libertarian Party from a business perspective has failed miserably b/c they haven't had a product that sells. Today, they got a product they can sell and the market is ripe for it!

 

[WRellim]

- That shows how informed on this you really are. He's said a freakin' hundred times that he's against the drug war now. But he's emphasized medical marijuana specifically (just like RP did), b/c he's not an idiot! If you start talking about legalizing crack you're done! It's called "politics", man. In our current environment you have to appeal to as many as possible if you ever want to be in a position to make the big changes.

Now that he is out of office. Oh, and he feels really kind of, well, "sad" about all those poor SOB's that are locked up in jails and prisons around the country for violating HIS anti-drug prohibition -- you know, I mean he's not going to like publicly say they should really be released or anything -- or that HE is personally responsible for it or anything like that -- just that he feels, you know, kind of well, "sad" about them (and their F'd up families and such)...

Oh, and like he DEFINITELY thinks that THAT somehow constitutes an apology, and that you should really TRUST him now and vote for him, and most especially send him money... 'cause, well, you know, he did a *bad* thing and he feels *sorry.*


I say let him serve a year in the clink for every person whose constitutional rights were violated (try 18 USC 242) and then, AFTER HE HAS PAID HIS "DEBT" TO SOCIETY (in the same way he has demanded of others) we'll decide if we accept the "apology."

Do the time first Bobby. Then we'll see about "parole."

Otherwise, he's nothing but another pandering BS-filled politician.

 

[Black Dude]

The Fair Tax is an abomination. No citizen should have to pay a high sales tax!

It does not matter if you make 5K a year or 500K. The Fair Tax is an ABOMINATION.

Bob Barr seems to refuse to say that we should abolish the income tax and replace it with NOTHING!

Are you suggesting we forget about the $75 trillion dollars in future entitlements? Throw the poor people that are dependent on social security and medicare out in the streets?
How do you think Ron Paul was planning on paying for government programs that can't be thrown out the door within 8 years? It is not feasible to get rid of the income tax unless you replace it with something in the short term first.

 

[Bradley in DC]

if bob barr actually does win in november, would he let mike gravel run his dep't of agriculture?

He'd have a department of agriculture?

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

Libertarians have never played "politics." Harry Browne specifically stated that all drugs should be legaized. If Bob Barr is going to be the nominee then he should state flat out that he supports the legalization of all drugs.

Until he does that he is simply a person that likes to throw innocent people in prison so they can be seperated from their families and have their lives ruined.

- I thought you were leaving