The Liberal love affair with Islam

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The Liberal love affair with Islam


The Daily Caller
Nov 14, 2010


The liberal love affair with Islam is perplexing. While liberals tend to hate traditional Christianity for its more socially conservative worldview, they insist on vigorously defending Islam and its adherents. From Jon Stewart’s moralizing, to Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg’s outrage at Bill O’Reilly, to President Obama’s recent droning about the “spirit of tolerance” in the Indonesian Constitution (in spite of Indonesia’s laws prohibiting speech offensive to Islam), we are forever sermonized that there is a gulf between Islamist extremism and the “vast majority” of normal Muslims, whom we would apparently love to have as neighbors and run into at Whole Foods.

Well, I contend that we would not want to run into a lot of Muslims at Whole Foods. True, we probably wouldn’t mind running into most American Muslims, who don’t go for certain more widespread interpretations of Sharia law. But it remains true that huge swathes of the Islamic world hold views and have enacted legal regimes which would shock the average American, and which ought to shock liberals and media elites far more than, say, Roman Catholicism does. And it’s not like this is a “false” Islam, while the more peaceful, American interpretations are “true” Islam. Unlike Catholicism, there is no central magisterial authority in Islam; its nature is determined by how different schools interpret Sharia law and the Koran, and large numbers of Muslims interpret them in a fundamentalist, bizarre fashion.

Liberals deride Christianity and Catholicism in particular for its strict approach towards sexuality, claiming that prohibitions against abortion, contraception, homosexual sex, and premarital sex are simply oppressive forms of prudish patriarchy. But Islam is every bit as traditional on these matters; indeed, Muslim nations are the best allies the Vatican has at the U.N. in fighting against funding for third world family planning initiatives. You can’t reasonably deride one while accepting the other.

Furthermore, Islam goes way beyond Christianity by embracing doctrines that actually are oppressive, demeaning to women, and tyrannical. Throughout the Middle East, there is widespread acceptance of polygamy, of giving adolescent girls in marriage, of female genital mutilation, of harsh criminal sanctions against fornication and homosexuality (a capital offense in some countries), all of which is done in accordance with interpretations of Sharia law that are accepted by significant percentages of the Muslim world. While liberals rightly revile American polygamists, they fail to acknowledge that every major Muslim country (with the exception of Turkey and a few smaller countries) legally provides for this disgusting practice.

(I always find it odd that liberals get outraged at polygamists — it’s the only sexual sin they still acknowledge between of-age, consenting individuals. Homosexual unions can be “marriage,” but not polygamous ones? Since when do liberals care about a strict limitation on the definition of “marriage?” Ultimately, I think it’s because homosexuals vote Democrat and drive Priuses, and polygamists don’t.)

Further, let’s look at how Islam treats religious and other minorities. In Darfur, Sudan, black Africans are being killed in a race- and religion-fueled vendetta of violence by Muslim militias, who have slaughtered more than 200,000 people. In Armenia, tens of thousands of Armenian Christians were slaughtered by the Turkish government at the turn of the 20th century; the Turkish government still won’t even acknowledge that the genocide happened. Sharia makes all sorts of provisions that non-Muslims in Muslim lands have to pay higher taxes and be subject to oppressive policies.

In another example of persecution of religious minorities, Islamist terrorist attacks have devastated the Christian community in Iraq, which has shrunk to half its pre-war population after fleeing from terrorism directed against them. On October 31st, terrorists attacked the Syrian Catholic cathedral in Baghdad, killing some 50 worshippers. The media, presumably concerned about campaigns of violence against minorities, responded with 464 stories mentioning the attack in the last month, according to a Google News search.

However, they seemed to be focused more on a supposed campaign of oppression against homosexuals in America, as evidenced by the 1,100 stories in the last month reporting on the death of Tyler Clementi, the Rutgers student who committed suicide two months ago after his roommate posted a video of him having homosexual relations on YouTube.

Now, I certainly mourn this young man’s death, and I think that this invasion of his privacy was despicable and wrong. However, according to this study and others, American homosexuals experience hate crimes at nearly the same level as do Americans of Jewish origin, perhaps at a slightly lesser rate. I acknowledge that many homosexuals experience unfair discrimination and some are the object of violence and hate; this kind of intolerance is wrong and hurtful. But there hasn’t been a campaign of terrorist bombings in gay neighborhoods that forces half of them to leave the country in fear for their lives. That scenario is taking place for Christians in Iraq, and the media seems completely uninterested in it. For some reason, a hatred possibly stemming from the residue of historically negative Christian attitudes towards homosexuality is a bigger issue for the American media than actual Muslim hatred for Christians.

So yes, I think Islam is perverse, weird, and evil in many of its broadly-accepted interpretations worldwide. The media elite would look a lot less stupid if they would actually acknowledge the fact, and quit chasing after Christian bogeymen.


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http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/14/the-liberal-love-affair-with-islam/
 
Perhaps the attacks on Christians in Iraq are because the US war in the Muslim world is considered a war by Christians against Muslims - a war to further humiliate and genocide adherents of Islam.

I'm not aware of any non-Christians supporting our intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, nor in other Muslim-dominated nations.

There is religious bitterness on both sides. Why do liberals here attack Christians more than Muslims? Think of it this way -- Why do libertarians verbally attack US aggressors instead of the terrorists? - It's because there are no terrorists here for us to speak out against just as there are no hateful Muslims around for liberals to attack - and also because Christian-dominated policymakers are committing wars of aggression in our name. Terrorists are not. I have no interest in "purifying" parties which do not represent me, and I think many others here have the similar sentiments.
 
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The Liberal love affair with Islam


The Daily Caller
Nov 14, 2010


The liberal love affair with Islam is perplexing. While liberals tend to hate traditional Christianity for its more socially conservative worldview, they insist on vigorously defending Islam and its adherents. From Jon Stewart’s moralizing, to Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg’s outrage at Bill O’Reilly, to President Obama’s recent droning about the “spirit of tolerance” in the Indonesian Constitution (in spite of Indonesia’s laws prohibiting speech offensive to Islam), we are forever sermonized that there is a gulf between Islamist extremism and the “vast majority” of normal Muslims, whom we would apparently love to have as neighbors and run into at Whole Foods.

Well, I contend that we would not want to run into a lot of Muslims at Whole Foods. True, we probably wouldn’t mind running into most American Muslims, who don’t go for certain more widespread interpretations of Sharia law. But it remains true that huge swathes of the Islamic world hold views and have enacted legal regimes which would shock the average American, and which ought to shock liberals and media elites far more than, say, Roman Catholicism does. And it’s not like this is a “false” Islam, while the more peaceful, American interpretations are “true” Islam. Unlike Catholicism, there is no central magisterial authority in Islam; its nature is determined by how different schools interpret Sharia law and the Koran, and large numbers of Muslims interpret them in a fundamentalist, bizarre fashion.

Liberals deride Christianity and Catholicism in particular for its strict approach towards sexuality, claiming that prohibitions against abortion, ucontraception, homosexual sex, and premarital sex are simply oppressive forms of prudish patriarchy. But Islam is every bit as traditional on these matters; indeed, Muslim nations are the best allies the Vatican has at the U.N. in fighting against funding for third world family planning initiatives. You can’t reasonably deride one while accepting the other.

Furthermore, Islam goes way beyond Christianity by embracing doctrines that actually are oppressive, demeaning to women, and tyrannical. Throughout the Middle East, there is widespread acceptance of polygamy, of giving adolescent girls in marriage, of female genital mutilation, of harsh criminal sanctions against fornication and homosexuality (a capital offense in some countries), all of which is done in accordance with interpretations of Sharia law that are accepted by significant percentages of the Muslim world. While liberals rightly revile American polygamists, they fail to acknowledge that every major Muslim country (with the exception of Turkey and a few smaller countries) legally provides for this disgusting practice.

(I always find it odd that liberals get outraged at polygamists — it’s the only sexual sin they still acknowledge between of-age, consenting individuals. Homosexual unions can be “marriage,” but not polygamous ones? Since when do liberals care about a strict limitation on the definition of “marriage?” Ultimately, I think it’s because homosexuals vote Democrat and drive Priuses, and polygamists don’t.)

Further, let’s look at how Islam treats religious and other minorities. In Darfur, Sudan, black Africans are being killed in a race- and religion-fueled vendetta of violence by Muslim militias, who have slaughtered more than 200,000 people. In Armenia, tens of thousands of Armenian Christians were slaughtered by the Turkish government at the turn of the 20th century; the Turkish government still won’t even acknowledge that the genocide happened. Sharia makes all sorts of provisions that non-Muslims in Muslim lands have to pay higher taxes and be subject to oppressive policies.

In another example of persecution of religious minorities, Islamist terrorist attacks have devastated the Christian community in Iraq, which has shrunk to half its pre-war population after fleeing from terrorism directed against them. On October 31st, terrorists attacked the Syrian Catholic cathedral in Baghdad, killing some 50 worshippers. The media, presumably concerned about campaigns of violence against minorities, responded with 464 stories mentioning the attack in the last month, according to a Google News search.

However, they seemed to be focused more on a supposed campaign of oppression against homosexuals in America, as evidenced by the 1,100 stories in the last month reporting on the death of Tyler Clementi, the Rutgers student who committed suicide two months ago after his roommate posted a video of him having homosexual relations on YouTube.

Now, I certainly mourn this young man’s death, and I think that this invasion of his privacy was despicable and wrong. However, according to this study and others, American homosexuals experience hate crimes at nearly the same level as do Americans of Jewish origin, perhaps at a slightly lesser rate. I acknowledge that many homosexuals experience unfair discrimination and some are the object of violence and hate; this kind of intolerance is wrong and hurtful. But there hasn’t been a campaign of terrorist bombings in gay neighborhoods that forces half of them to leave the country in fear for their lives. That scenario is taking place for Christians in Iraq, and the media seems completely uninterested in it. For some reason, a hatred possibly stemming from the residue of historically negative Christian attitudes towards homosexuality is a bigger issue for the American media than actual Muslim hatred for Christians.

So yes, I think Islam is perverse, weird, and evil in many of its broadly-accepted interpretations worldwide. The media elite would look a lot less stupid if they would actually acknowledge the fact, and quit chasing after Christian bogeymen.


SOURCE:
http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/14/the-liberal-love-affair-with-islam/


Yes. I am totally perplexed by this too. But it can be easily explained by Scripture. The natural man hates God, and hates the things of God. Atheists will make any alliance, no matter how ridiculous it is, against the Lord. It's just the way the sin nature works.
 
The Liberal love affair with Islam


The Daily Caller
Nov 14, 2010


The liberal conservative love affair with Islam Christianity is perplexing. While liberals conservatives tend to hate traditional Christianity Islam for its more socially economically conservative liberal worldview, they insist on vigorously defending Islam Christianity and its adherents. From Jon Stewart’s moralizing, to Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg’s outrage at Bill O’Reilly, to President Obama’s recent droning about the “spirit of tolerance” in the Indonesian Constitution (in spite of Indonesia’s laws prohibiting speech offensive to Islam Christianity), we are forever sermonized that there is a gulf between Islamist Christian extremism and the “vast majority” of normal Muslims Christians, whom we would apparently love to have as neighbors and run into at Whole Foods.

Well, I contend that we would not want to run into a lot of Muslims Christians at Whole Foods. True, we probably wouldn’t mind running into most American Muslims Christians, who don’t go for certain more widespread interpretations of Sharia Old Testament law. But it remains true that huge swathes of the Islamic Christian world hold views and have enacted legal regimes which would shock the average American, and which ought to shock liberals and media elites far more than, say, Roman Catholicism Sunni does. And it’s not like this is a “false” Islam Christianity, while the more peaceful, American interpretations are “true” Islam Christianity. Unlike Catholicism Sunni's, there is no central magisterial authority in Islam Christianity; its nature is determined by how different schools interpret Sharia law God's prophets and the Koran Bible, and large numbers of Muslims Christians interpret them in a fundamentalist, bizarre fashion.

Liberals deride Christianity Islam and Catholicism Sunni's in particular for its strict approach towards sexuality, claiming that prohibitions against abortion, contraception, homosexual sex, and premarital sex are simply oppressive forms of prudish patriarchy. But Islam Christianity is every bit as traditional on these matters; indeed, Muslim Christian nations are the best allies the Vatican has at the U.N. in fighting against funding for third world family planning initiatives. You can’t reasonably deride one while accepting the other.

Furthermore, Islam Christianity goes way beyond Christianity Islam by embracing doctrines that actually are oppressive, demeaning to women, and tyrannical. Throughout the Middle East United States, there is widespread acceptance of polygamy, of giving adolescent girls in marriage, of female male genital mutilation, of harsh criminal sanctions against fornication and homosexuality (a capital offense in some countries), all of which is done in accordance with interpretations of Sharia law the Bible that are accepted by significant percentages of the Muslim Christian world. While liberals rightly revile American polygamists, they fail to acknowledge that every major Muslim Christian country (with the exception of Turkey Rome and a few smaller countries) legally provides for this disgusting Biblical practice.

(I always find it odd that liberals get outraged at polygamists — it’s the only sexual sin they still acknowledge between of-age, consenting individuals. Homosexual unions can be “marriage,” but not polygamous ones? Since when do liberals care about a strict limitation on the definition of “marriage?” Ultimately, I think it’s because homosexuals vote Democrat and drive Priuses, and polygamists don’t.)

Further, let’s look at how Islam Christianity treats religious and other minorities. In Darfur, Sudan Iraq, black Africans Muslims are being killed in a race- and religion-fueled vendetta of violence by Muslim Christian militias militaries, who have slaughtered more than 200,000 people 100,000 civilians. In Armenia Afghanistan, tens of thousands of Armenian Christians Muslim civilians were slaughtered by the Turkish United States government at the turn of the 20th 21st century; the Turkish United States government still won’t even acknowledge that the genocide happened. Sharia The Bible makes all sorts of provisions that non-Muslims non-Christians in Muslim Christian lands have to pay higher taxes tariffs and be subject to oppressive protectionist policies.

In another example of persecution of religious minorities, Islamist Christian terrorist attacks have devastated the Christian Islamic community economy in Iraq, which has shrunk to half its pre-war population GDP after fleeing from terrorism directed against them. On October 31st, terrorists leaders attacked the Syrian Catholic cathedral Muslims in Baghdad, killing some 50 worshippers claiming they are trying to influence American elections. The media, presumably concerned about campaigns of violence against minorities, responded with 464 stories mentioning the attack in the last month, according to a Google News search.

However, they seemed to be focused more on a supposed campaign of oppression against homosexuals in America, as evidenced by the 1,100 stories in the last month reporting on the death of Tyler Clementi, the Rutgers student who committed suicide two months ago after his roommate posted a video of him having homosexual relations on YouTube.

Now, I certainly mourn this young man’s death, and I think that this invasion of his privacy was despicable and wrong. However, according to this study and others, American Middle Eastern homosexuals experience hate crimes at nearly the same level as do Americans Middle Easterners of Jewish origin, perhaps at a slightly lesser rate. I acknowledge that many homosexuals experience unfair discrimination and some are the object of violence and hate; this kind of intolerance is wrong and hurtful. But there hasn’t been a campaign of terrorist bombings in gay neighborhoods that forces half of them to leave the country in fear for their lives. That scenario is taking place for Christians Muslims in Iraq, and the media seems completely uninterested in it. For some reason, a hatred possibly stemming from the residue of historically negative Christian Muslim attitudes towards homosexuality is a bigger issue for the American media than actual Muslim Christian hatred for Christians Muslims.

So yes, I think Islam Christianity is perverse, weird, and evil in many of its broadly-accepted interpretations worldwide. The media elite would look a lot less stupid if they would actually acknowledge the fact, and quit chasing after Christian Muslim bogeymen.


SOURCE:
http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/14/the-liberal-love-affair-with-islam/

It would appear Muslim and Christian are pretty interchangeable. The sooner the planet is rid of religious non-believer murderers the better off the planet will be.
 
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Generalizing is bad. Islam is not bad, just like Christianity isn't bad. It's people who are bad. Especially people who think one particular religion is bad.

Liberals defend Islam against radical christian zealot fascists. They are equalizers.
 
Where's idirtfy? Wasn't this an "aggressive" post?

What's aggressive about a fact? It's not my fault a majority Christian nation seems to prefer murdering non-believers, bombing brown people, and demonizes the only peaceful social tool that exists for free people.... discrimination.
 
Generalizing is bad. Islam is not bad, just like Christianity isn't bad. It's people who are bad. Especially people who think one particular religion is bad.

Liberals defend Islam against radical christian zealot fascists. They are equalizers.

I fully agree with this post, Only the MINORITY of Muslims are violent extremists to say that an entire religion is BAD is just utter folly, every religion has it's extremists, I will not judge an entire group of people based off the actions of a few violent maniacs.
 
I fully agree with this post, Only the MINORITY of Muslims are violent extremists to say that an entire religion is BAD is just utter folly, every religion has it's extremists, I will not judge an entire group of people based off the actions of a few violent maniacs.

+1 and really should go without saying.
 
+1 and really should go without saying.

Yes it should, don't be taken in by propaganda people, anyone with even a sliver of common sense should realize that believing ALL Muslims to be bad is just absurd and illogical, yes some horrible deeds have been commited by Muslims, but they were just insane Muslims, the majority of them are just regular people just like anyone else, we just only hear on the news when a muslim does something bad.
 
I didn't say that anyone in this thread said that, where did I say that? Please stop trying to twist my words. I was referring to the MANY people out there who do think that they are all bad.
 
Liberals' Intent

Liberals are apologetic towards Islam only because it is antithetical towards Christianity. It's like a person who votes against a Republican by casting a ballot for a Democrat. They're not really concerned about what the Democrat stands for just as long as the Republican is not elected. Liberals support Islam only because it keeps Christianity from the public domain.
 
It is the same old over reaction to the other sides over reaction. People can't seem to get the concept here or anywhere else that if someone is an evil threat deal with that person or the persons that are guilty, not target the whole group or organization they belong to.
It is always black and white with these type of people. One side is always bad and the other side is perfect.
Liberals do it, conservatives do it and people on these forums do it.
 
Liberals are apologetic towards Islam only because it is antithetical towards Christianity. It's like a person who votes against a Republican by casting a ballot for a Democrat. They're not really concerned about what the Democrat stands for just as long as the Republican is not elected. Liberals support Islam only because it keeps Christianity from the public domain.

fail.
 
Really?

Liberals support Islam only because it keeps Christianity from the public domain.

Really? That works? Hmmm . . . maybe I need to start supporting Islam if that is what it takes to keep Christianity (and all other religion) out of the public domain.

It is immaterial to me whether it is Christian or Muslim zealots trying to impose their morality on me.
 
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