The Freemasons are now advertizing on TV???

[starless]

Yes, but for different reasons. I think it has to do with the advent of the internet and accessiblity of information. Whereas before it was rare to join the masons without a familial connection, now anyone can easily learn about anythingand take action.

 

[WarDog]

Walt Disney's logo is"Capturing your imagination" America was founded on MASONIC FREEMASONRY or Kabbala.Freemasonry is the founding of "America" Freemasons sought "A"merca or the western star
This means the Western Star Venus. Venus is the Red White & Blue star. The statute of LIBERTY is Their LIGHT BEARER COLUMBIA Shes their Goddess.Your Capital Building's are TEMPLES with each having a CORNER STONE from the FREEMASONS. They ORDAIN their CRAFT with WINE CORN & OIL. www.vigilantcitizen.com or www.freemantv.com (alternately "Kabbala"(h) or "Qabala

 

[Fox McCloud]

I have to wonder if the reason most people join is purely to develop connections for their business.

I'm not a fan, considering that it points away from Christ and towards the organization itself.

 

[Corydoras]

The Masons are the oldest remaining Christian organization in existence today.

The Masons aren't a Christian organization, they're an organization with lots of Christian members.

For oldest Christian organization, there are of course the ancient patriarchates (Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Rome).
But of course there also is St. Catherine's monastery at Mt. Sinai.

 

[Flash]

Doing a quick search I found this:

The Knights Templar is a Christian-oriented fraternal organization that was founded in the 11th century. Originally, the Knights Templar were laymen who protected and defended Christians traveling to Jerusalem. These men took vows of poverty, chastity and obedience, and were renowned for their fierceness and courage in battle.

Today, the Knights Templar display their courage and goodwill in other ways. They organize fund-raising activities such as breakfasts, dinners, dances, and flea markets. They support Masonic-related youth groups and they raise millions of dollars for medical research and educational assistance.

Currently, Templar membership consists of people from all walks of life, including doctors, lawyers, clergy, businessmen and entertainment personalities, all of whom profess a belief in the Christian Religion.

All Knights Templar are members of the world's oldest fraternal organization known as "The Ancient Free And Accepted Masons" or more commonly known as "Masons". However, not all masons are Templars. Templary is but a part of the Masonic structure known as the "York Rite Of Freemasonry".

More Here: http://egyptshrine.org/york2.html But I think you are correct that they are inclusive.

This seems to be one very specific order within Masonry. The Fraternity itself isn't Christian or any religion. In fact I knew a man who studied eastern religions before joining the fraternity. He founded the knowledge revealed to him by the masons to be boring. Apparently it's just a lot of eastern teachings revealed through a mystical way.

 

[Philhelm]

Wait...what? What's this about the Knights Templar? I'm intrigued...

 

[purplechoe]

Wait...what? What's this about the Knights Templar? I'm intrigued...

same shit, different asshole, just another secret organization of bankers, and their temple is the Fed...

I'm not a fan of practitioners of "mysticism" and their so called mysteries, it's all bullshit anyway, I've read Manly P Hall among other psychos who wear aprons...

 

[jtstellar]

I'm a mason. There is a huge gap between the bulk of ages... I find there are a lot of guys in their late 50s and 60s, and then a lot of guys in their mid to late 20s and early 30s. Not much in between.

do you find all these fascination with masons just plain silly or are they founded

 

[romacox]

Wait...what? What's this about the Knights Templar? I'm intrigued...

It is intriguing, especially since so many of the Founding Fathers belonged to the organization.

• Two reasons I said they are a Christian organization is that my mother belonged to the Eastern Star (woman's part of the Masonic Order) for a short time, and she said they studied the Bible. It is possible that not all of them do that. I also thought I read it in Joseph Campbell's book )The Power Of Myth, but I will need to check.

Here is an article that talks about the Mason and Templar connection:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/awards-organizations/freemason1.htm

 

[OrigSEOH]

The pyramidal order of things always leads to a central authority in which one, or few, is all-knowing, all-seeing, and of authority in the matter. Which this person(s) assume the position of “God-like”, kinda like Berneke setting atop of the Monetary System Temple, claiming he knows all that is good for us. This can be seen in almost all organizational systems, especially government. They are called “Tall Organizations” and usually are run with authoritarian leadership styles. In comparison, flat organizations in the shape of a cross are run with laissez-faire leadership styles. You would think we would see this organizational structure in churches, but most of them seem to be in the shape of a pyramid also.

 

[fisharmor]

So much horseshit and fail in this thread....

The Templars ceased to exist in the 14th Century.
Freemasonry didn't exist before the 18th Century.
Freemasons are not Christians.
Christians are not Freemasons.
Dan Brown is a fiction writer, not a historian.

 

[romacox]

Joseph Campbell is a college professor who studied ancient history to understand ancient symbols like the pyramid on the dollar. Some of his discoveries outraged the college elite, and they fired him.

He wrote about these findings in a book titled "The Power Of Myth"

• He discovered that the Creation Story has been told many times, and by people who never read the Bible, and lived long before Jesus. He wrote that the meaning of the snake to ancient peoples is "life and death on a physical plane" . The Bassari were an ancient people lived long before the Bible, and Jesus, and they taught a Creation Story very similar to the one in the Bible. But because ancient peoples had few words they spoke in symbolism.
  
• I have a Jewish friend who gives a much deeper meaning to the Old Testament than the way most Christian ministers explain it. After reading "The Power Of Myth", I have a greater understanding and appreciation for The Bible.

The Masonic symbols all over the Capital architecture, dollar bill, ext have fascinating historical meaning.

The pyramid on the dollar: "When you are on one side or the other of the pyramid you will only be able to see one side or the other (not all sides). But when you get to the top all points come together, and there (the all seeing) eye of God opens." He continues to say that the Founding Fathers wanted the nation to be founded on reason instead of simple warfare. "All people in the world are thus capable because all in the world are capable of reason." People, he says, do not have to have a special authority or revelation telling you that this is the way things should be. This angers those who want you to think they have the answers, and you do not.

He talks about the meaning of many of the other U.S. symbols and their meaning. It gives one even a greater appreciation of the wisdom and research done by the Founding Fathers, and found in ancient writings from all over the world, Christianity included.

 

[HazyHusky420]

Seriously? People here are talking about this?

I don't get these collectivist nutjobs who act like everyone in a group works for the NWO.

"Oh it's the Catholics! No it's the Jews! No, it's the... MASONS!!!!!!!!!!" How ironic that Hitler targeted the latter two and that the the people most opposed to those groups having the same freedom of association and expression as anyone else are collectivist mental midgets who don't know what the words civil and liberty mean when put together.

These theories belong in the 1600s. We're not in the 1600s anymore. Grow up. The bankers want to keep us distracted with this silly shit. What does the eye of providence mean when your house is being repossessed or when your life savings is being destroyed by inflation? The eye has too many meanings for some protectionist foil head to just yell "illuminati!!!11" at the site of it.

 

[therepublic]

Seriously? People here are talking about this?

I don't get these collectivist nutjobs who act like everyone in a group works for the NWO.

"Oh it's the Catholics! No it's the Jews! No, it's the... MASONS!!!!!!!!!!" How ironic that Hitler targeted the latter two and that the the people most opposed to those groups having the same freedom of association and expression as anyone else are collectivist mental midgets who don't know what the words civil and liberty mean when put together.

These theories belong in the 1600s. We're not in the 1600s anymore. Grow up. The bankers want to keep us distracted with this silly shit. What does the eye of providence mean when your house is being repossessed or when your life savings is being destroyed by inflation? The eye has too many meanings for some protectionist foil head to just yell "illuminati!!!11" at the site of it.

"Nutjobs" is rude of you, and that is not what at all what they have discussed in this thread. They were talking about the Founding Fathers wisdom, and the wisdom of the Masonic symbols found all over DC and on the dollar bill.

 

[specsaregood]

That's an actual theory? I know the Vikings reached America before Columbus, but I never knew the Masons may have as well.

I don't want to go too far offtopic, but there is evidence of many civilizations having visited the americas from the east (over the atlantic) prior to columbus. Most noteably the Celts seemed to have made quite a few forays into NE america even back in B.C. times.

This is an excellent book on the subject, should it interest you.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812906241
The author is a linguist and most of his evidence is based on linguistical studies.

 

[HazyHusky420]

"Nutjobs" is rude of you, and that is not what at all what they have discussed in this thread. They were talking about the Founding Fathers wisdom, and the wisdom of the Masonic symbols found all over DC and on the dollar bill.

No it isn't rude to call someone a collectivist nutjob when they think every person in a group is involved in a conspiracy because they are collectivist nutjobs. I think freemasonry is stupid but it's not the reason mold grows on bread.

 

[therepublic]

No it isn't rude to call someone a collectivist nutjob when they think every person in a group is involved in a conspiracy because they are collectivist nutjobs. I think freemasonry is stupid but it's not the reason mold grows on bread.

So a nutjob is someone who thinks every person in a group is involved in a conspiracy. You falsely think people in this thread are discussing a conspiracy theory. By your definition you have just called yourself a Nutjob

Many of the Founding Fathers were Masons. I do not think they were stupid.

 

[HazyHusky420]

You falsely think people in this thread are discussing a conspiracy theory.

No i've actually seen a few in this thread that leaned that way.

Discuss it all you want. Whether or not you should is up to the site owner. I just don't get why some of this matters considering the problems out there. I believe it's a distraction.

 

[starless]

If you guys are interested in an absolutely fascinating book on one theory of the origins of freemasonry, check out Born in Blood, by John J. Robinson. It's by far the most historically vigorous, non-sensational and believable masonic origin theory I've ever read.

 

[starless]

Oh, and for those who are arguing whether masonry is Christian or not, I will say that most of the moral lessons are rooted in the old testament. Non-Christians are more than welcome to join, but it doesn't change the material.