The food rationing is about to begin.

Mortikhi

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http://www2.nysun.com/article/74994

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Food Rationing Confronts Breadbasket of the World

By JOSH GERSTEIN
Staff Reporter of the Sun
April 21, 2008

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. — Many parts of America, long considered the breadbasket of the world, are now confronting a once unthinkable phenomenon: food rationing. Major retailers in New York, in areas of New England, and on the West Coast are limiting purchases of flour, rice, and cooking oil as demand outstrips supply. There are also anecdotal reports that some consumers are hoarding grain stocks.

At a Costco Warehouse in Mountain View, Calif., yesterday, shoppers grew frustrated and occasionally uttered expletives as they searched in vain for the large sacks of rice they usually buy.

"Where's the rice?" an engineer from Palo Alto, Calif., Yajun Liu, said. "You should be able to buy something like rice. This is ridiculous."

The bustling store in the heart of Silicon Valley usually sells four or five varieties of rice to a clientele largely of Asian immigrants, but only about half a pallet of Indian-grown Basmati rice was left in stock. A 20-pound bag was selling for $15.99.

"You can't eat this every day. It's too heavy," a health care executive from Palo Alto, Sharad Patel, grumbled as his son loaded two sacks of the Basmati into a shopping cart. "We only need one bag but I'm getting two in case a neighbor or a friend needs it," the elder man said.

The Patels seemed headed for disappointment, as most Costco members were being allowed to buy only one bag. Moments earlier, a clerk dropped two sacks back on the stack after taking them from another customer who tried to exceed the one-bag cap.

"Due to the limited availability of rice, we are limiting rice purchases based on your prior purchasing history," a sign above the dwindling supply said.

Shoppers said the limits had been in place for a few days, and that rice supplies had been spotty for a few weeks. A store manager referred questions to officials at Costco headquarters near Seattle, who did not return calls or e-mail messages yesterday.

An employee at the Costco store in Queens said there were no restrictions on rice buying, but limits were being imposed on purchases of oil and flour. Internet postings attributed some of the shortage at the retail level to bakery owners who flocked to warehouse stores when the price of flour from commercial suppliers doubled.

The curbs and shortages are being tracked with concern by survivalists who view the phenomenon as a harbinger of more serious trouble to come.

"It's sporadic. It's not every store, but it's becoming more commonplace," the editor of SurvivalBlog.com, James Rawles, said. "The number of reports I've been getting from readers who have seen signs posted with limits has increased almost exponentially, I'd say in the last three to five weeks."

Spiking food prices have led to riots in recent weeks in Haiti, Indonesia, and several African nations. India recently banned export of all but the highest quality rice, and Vietnam blocked the signing of a new contract for foreign rice sales.

"I'm surprised the Bush administration hasn't slapped export controls on wheat," Mr. Rawles said. "The Asian countries are here buying every kind of wheat." Mr. Rawles said it is hard to know how much of the shortages are due to lagging supply and how much is caused by consumers hedging against future price hikes or a total lack of product.

"There have been so many stories about worldwide shortages that it encourages people to stock up. What most people don't realize is that supply chains have changed, so inventories are very short," Mr. Rawles, a former Army intelligence officer, said. "Even if people increased their purchasing by 20%, all the store shelves would be wiped out."

At the moment, large chain retailers seem more prone to shortages and limits than do smaller chains and mom-and-pop stores, perhaps because store managers at the larger companies have less discretion to increase prices locally. Mr. Rawles said the spot shortages seemed to be most frequent in the Northeast and all the way along the West Coast. He said he had heard reports of buying limits at Sam's Club warehouses, which are owned by Wal-Mart Stores, but a spokesman for the company, Kory Lundberg, said he was not aware of any shortages or limits.

An anonymous high-tech professional writing on an investment Web site, Seeking Alpha, said he recently bought 10 50-pound bags of rice at Costco. "I am concerned that when the news of rice shortage spreads, there will be panic buying and the shelves will be empty in no time. I do not intend to cause a panic, and I am not speculating on rice to make profit. I am just hoarding some for my own consumption," he wrote.

For now, rice is available at Asian markets in California, though consumers have fewer choices when buying the largest bags. "At our neighborhood store, it's very expensive, more than $30" for a 25-pound bag, a housewife from Mountain View, Theresa Esquerra, said. "I'm not going to pay $30. Maybe we'll just eat bread."
 
Mortikhi, Thanks for posting this. Scary. I'm picking up a few bags today. Some oil too.
I guess not only would that be prudent but with inflation I actually will make return on the "investment"
 
If you are buying, get long grain, wild, and brown rice. White rice is not all that nutritional. Long term food stores need not only to be filling, but also nutritional.
 
Way to get hysterical over temporary rice shortages.

Quick - let's stock up the basement for the end times!

Pete
 
Way to get hysterical over temporary rice shortages.

Quick - let's stock up the basement for the end times!

Pete

The rice shortage may well be temporary due to the bad crop year in India, but given Monsanto's doings in the region, it may well be more than just this year. Farmers in India are committing suicide at rates increasing exponentially over previous years due to Monsanto's shenanigans in the region.

And, there is no bad time to start storing food. Who knows what could happen, be it a hurricane, tornado, earthquake, whatever. You may have 3 people at home to take care of, and need enough food on hand to go a month.

The idea that building food stores is stupid...is, well, stupid. Sure, there are a lot of wild conspiracy theory reasons to stock foodstuffs, but there are a lot of non conspiracy whack-job reasons to store up food too.

The bottom line is, if you don't have enough emergency food stores on hand to last a month without grocery stores, then you are vulnerable to WHATEVER may happen. Because of the way food is delivered in the US, we are only 3 days away from empty grocery stores at ANY given moment. Something as simple as a major trucker strike brought on by the climbing cost of diesel, could empty the grocery stores of food for 2 weeks. Hell, you don't even need a strike, I know of two trucking companies locally that are on the verge of shutting their doors because they are going in the red and can't afford to operate anymore.

Ridiculing people who take measures to ensure their safety is stupid. I can only hope when TSHTF around you, you have one of those 'ridiculous' neighbors who will be kind enough to share with you. Ever been hungry, as in long term hungry? Haven't eaten for days, don't know when/if you will eat again.... Try it for a while, and I bet you will think different about long term food storage.

You just never know what can happen. Hell, your boss may get rejected by his/her lover one day, come in with a bad mood and fire you. Now you are out of work, maybe for a month, and if you don't qualify for unemployment benefits, what are you going to eat?

Sorry, ridiculing people for wanting to stock up on long term food stores, whatever their rationale, is just stupid.
 
The rice shortage may well be temporary due to the bad crop year in India, but given Monsanto's doings in the region, it may well be more than just this year. Farmers in India are committing suicide at rates increasing exponentially over previous years due to Monsanto's shenanigans in the region.

And, there is no bad time to start storing food. Who knows what could happen, be it a hurricane, tornado, earthquake, whatever. You may have 3 people at home to take care of, and need enough food on hand to go a month.

The idea that building food stores is stupid...is, well, stupid. Sure, there are a lot of wild conspiracy theory reasons to stock foodstuffs, but there are a lot of non conspiracy whack-job reasons to store up food too.

The bottom line is, if you don't have enough emergency food stores on hand to last a month without grocery stores, then you are vulnerable to WHATEVER may happen. Because of the way food is delivered in the US, we are only 3 days away from empty grocery stores at ANY given moment. Something as simple as a major trucker strike brought on by the climbing cost of diesel, could empty the grocery stores of food for 2 weeks. Hell, you don't even need a strike, I know of two trucking companies locally that are on the verge of shutting their doors because they are going in the red and can't afford to operate anymore.

Ridiculing people who take measures to ensure their safety is stupid. I can only hope when TSHTF around you, you have one of those 'ridiculous' neighbors who will be kind enough to share with you. Ever been hungry, as in long term hungry? Haven't eaten for days, don't know when/if you will eat again.... Try it for a while, and I bet you will think different about long term food storage.

You just never know what can happen. Hell, your boss may get rejected by his/her lover one day, come in with a bad mood and fire you. Now you are out of work, maybe for a month, and if you don't qualify for unemployment benefits, what are you going to eat?

Sorry, ridiculing people for wanting to stock up on long term food stores, whatever their rationale, is just stupid.

I fully agree. End times or not, there is such a thing as being prepared.
 
Here in FL, stocking up on food and water is something we do every year. I've been fortunate so far to have never seen a major storm. The worst one I went through wasn't even a hurricane -- only a tropical storm with 60mph winds. But it left us without power for a week, and it was amazing how paralyzed everyone was. Stores couldn't even open, because without electricity, the cash registers didn't work. No gas pumps or ATMs either.

Anyway, being prepared is always a good idea, and buying food in bulk is cheaper anyway. But I did have to laugh at those people who thought Y2K would be the end of the world. I tried to tell a few of them that the bug was already fixed by the summer of '99, but they wouldn't listen. However, the economic problems we're facing now are far more complex and uncertain. If things do get nasty, I don't plan on standing in line waiting for MREs and bottled water from the National Guard and the Red Cross.
 
Here in FL, stocking up on food and water is something we do every year. I've been fortunate so far to have never seen a major storm. The worst one I went through wasn't even a hurricane -- only a tropical storm with 60mph winds. But it left us without power for a week, and it was amazing how paralyzed everyone was. Stores couldn't even open, because without electricity, the cash registers didn't work. No gas pumps or ATMs either.

Anyway, being prepared is always a good idea, and buying food in bulk is cheaper anyway. But I did have to laugh at those people who thought Y2K would be the end of the world. I tried to tell a few of them that the bug was already fixed by the summer of '99, but they wouldn't listen. However, the economic problems we're facing now are far more complex and uncertain. If things do get nasty, I don't plan on standing in line waiting for MREs and bottled water from the National Guard and the Red Cross.

I was on a team at General Motors where we were working on the Y2K problem and we didn't get done upgrading all of our computers until around a month before the turn of the century. When asked about getting prepared I did advise people to get some extra tuna fish as one never knows how well other systems have been upgraded. We also had a representative from the power company temporarily on our staff and he was advising the company to rent a large generator trailer until it was known if the grid had been completely upgraded.

Y2K was no joke! It could have been serious.
 
I fully agree. End times or not, there is such a thing as being prepared.

absolutely.. be prepared. Water, food, batteries, medicine, etc.. etc.. be prepared for the next big ice storm, hurricane, etc.

Now, 500lbs of rice? That's a little different.
 
I was on a team at General Motors where we were working on the Y2K problem and we didn't get done upgrading all of our computers until around a month before the turn of the century. When asked about getting prepared I did advise people to get some extra tuna fish as one never knows how well other systems have been upgraded. We also had a representative from the power company temporarily on our staff and he was advising the company to rent a large generator trailer until it was known if the grid had been completely upgraded.

Y2K was no joke! It could have been serious.

If they didn't whip up a little panic, nobody would have fixed their systems and it would have been very serious. But I had one family member in particular who was really freaked out about it, and was convinced it was the apocalypse (no exaggeration).
 
absolutely.. be prepared. Water, food, batteries, medicine, etc.. etc.. be prepared for the next big ice storm, hurricane, etc.

Now, 500lbs of rice? That's a little different.

Well, ... it all depends on how many mouths you plan on feeding and how long you think the problem may last. 500lbs of rice may not be enough if you have a lot of people you plan on feeding. :)
 
Well, ... it all depends on how many mouths you plan on feeding and how long you think the problem may last. 500lbs of rice may not be enough if you have a lot of people you plan on feeding. :)

Assuming that rice is all you have... (unlikely, of course)

500 lbs goes:

300 people for 1 day
150 people for 2 days
75 people for 4 days
43 people for 7 days
21 people for 14 days
10 people for 30 days


edited to add:

errm - I was thinking of COOKED weight. so add 50% to the durations...

1.5 days
3 days
6 days
11 days
21 days
45 days
 
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If you are buying, get long grain, wild, and brown rice. White rice is not all that nutritional. Long term food stores need not only to be filling, but also nutritional.

the problem is the spoilage of whole rice.....store it in a tightly sealed container in small batches.
 
the problem is the spoilage of whole rice.....store it in a tightly sealed container in small batches.

Actually you can make it last a long time if you put it in a mylar/ metal foil bag with oxygen absorbers and iron the bag shut and keep the bag in a 6 gallon bucket. Brown rice should last more than 5 years that way. It is the oxygen that turns to oils in the rice rancid.
 
the problem is the spoilage of whole rice.....store it in a tightly sealed container in small batches.

Agreed. Also, if you are serious about long term food storage, it would behoove you to get one of those vacuum sealers. Depending on how many bags you wanted to blow through, the safest bet is to bag portions of rice by ration. Calculate how many people you are feeding and how much rice they will need per day. Then figure out if you want to bag daily rations, 3 day rations, or weekly rations.

One pound of dry rice makes about 2 pounds of cooked rice. If rice is all your have, then plan generously and figure 1 lb of dry rice per person per day. Americans are big eaters. If you will be adding other items to that, I would figure 1/3 lb of dry rice per person per day, as 'other stuff' has a lot more nutritional value.

so, figuring 3 people, feeding rice and other goods, bag rice a pound a bag for daily rations, or 7 pounds a bag for weekly rations. Vacuum sealing will dramatically reduce spoilage, as the primary cause of spoilage of dry rice is by bugs. Even if a bug got in, if it is vacuum sealed, it will not be able to proliferate.
 
Actually you can make it last a long time if you put it in a mylar/ metal foil bag with oxygen absorbers and iron the bag shut and keep the bag in a 6 gallon bucket. Brown rice should last more than 5 years that way. It is the oxygen that turns to oils in the rice rancid.

Huh, I've never had rice go rancid on me, but I have had a batch with little worms in it. However, that was in the half-full 25lb bag it came in, which was not exactly airtight.

Still, what you said AND what I said would seem to be addressed by the vacuum sealer. They aren't all that expensive as of now, and very well worth the investment for food storage.
 
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