The Des Moines Plan

LibertyEagle said:
OK, OK, OK!!!!!!! WE'VE GOT THE POINT, ZYDECO! Is your intent just to bring everyone down or what exactly IS it?
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My points are 1) that this event is going to become a Deaniac disaster for the Paul campaign's public image if it's mostly out of staters and 2) John of Des Moines has shown a pattern of behavior that the RP campaign should know about.

I guess I'll Google Iowa chief Joe's e-mail address.
 
If John of Des Moines is indicative of what we're trying to accomplish, then count me as fucking confused. I was reading Ayn Rand when he was in diapers probably. Keep attacking anybody who disagrees with anything, and you'll end up with what you've got. Same as it ever was.

And for the smartass with the food comment, I sent another $100 to the campaign this morning. And will continue to do so, regardless of what happens with these liars in Iowa. And I'll bet the rent that Ron Paul's numbers will be better in Mississippi than they end up in Iowa. I hope I am proven wrong, because we need a very strong start.

A little tip for John: it's not about you, dude. What are you, a normal republican?
Get off that high horse and join the ground troops.
 
Zydeco said:
My points are 1) that this event is going to become a Deaniac disaster for the Paul campaign's public image if it's mostly out of staters and 2) John of Des Moines has shown a pattern of behavior that the RP campaign should know about.

I guess I'll Google Iowa chief Joe's e-mail address.
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I disagree. It will be a good showing of American citizens who are upset Dr. Paul was excluded.
 
GreenApples said:
I disagree. It will be a good showing of American citizens who are upset Dr. Paul was excluded.
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Green Apples, if you were one of the 1,500 Iowans at the forum, would you be impressed or irritated by 5,000 chanting out of staters?

And remember journalists are NOT on our side, they'll be happy to file "5,000 out of state protesters" stories. And they will.
 
oi vey! enough of the internecine conflict!

we're all working towards the same goal. that should be enough to keep us from tearing each other apart.

the anonymity provided by a keyboard is proving to be intoxicating to some.
 
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I know this is only just my opinion, so take it for what it is worth.

I didn't like what happened last night either, especially after the first couple of hours, but I honestly think John was just excited beyond all belief at the plans and since he thought the announcement was coming out in just a few minutes, he let us in on some of it. I'm sure John would be the first to say, it didn't exactly turn out like he had planned.

That's behind us though, at this point. Past history.

It sounds to me like John has done a LOT of work to make Iowa a success and is working with a number of other dedicated individuals. If some of you haven't seen, in another thread, a guy going by Gigaplex is creating over 13,000 Ron Paul DVDs to hand out in Iowa. BTW, he needs some additional donations before he takes the final copy in for mass production. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=4044

There is a coordinator in Iowa. We have the support of at least one big radio station. A couple of papers have come out in our favor. The Iowa Meetup group is engaged. This is actually more coordination than anything I have seen thus far in this campaign. :D The decision to hold it inside has been made. Let's now figure out how we can best support this deal to make it a resounding success. Because if it IS, we ALL WIN.
 
All I did was...

Zydeco said:
And frankly, this guy John of Des Moines makes me nervous as hell in any kind of leadership or communications position. You don't have time to deal with "mundane questions"?

"No he will NOT be in attendance to speak to us. As I've said earlier, I know for a fact Dr. Paul is busy that day."

I hope the Ron Paul HQ has a better handle on this than I think they do. I hope JfDM is not the campaign's Iowa point man. I sense looming disaster, folks.
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pay $72 to start the meetup group. Now I get this thrown in my lap.

Perhaps YOU can answer the questions I'm getting. (How do I run my meetup group? People don't want to hand out flyers what should I do? How do I pay for this or that? Where is the best place to stay in Des Moines? Or eat? ) Sorry big Z but I'm getting emails EVERY DAY like that. Should I plan the event or answer questions that would take a little research on the emailers' part. Please answer. Plus I get emails from the campaign too and other group organizers. And if you noticed I have a point person to handle the mundane travel questions. It's called delegation of authority.

As for you citing "No he will NOT be in attendance to speak to us. As I've said earlier, I know for a fact Dr. Paul is busy that day." Yes he has no plans to speak to people rallying outside (at this time). So I was correct. I did NOT say he would not be in Des Moines. Perhaps, a class in reading comprehension is in order.

And if you read my original post I said: "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies." Did you ask me a question? So who's fault is that? Yours or mine?

It's not my fault I'm in Des Moines and you're whereever you are looking in. We all can't be lightening rods.

Finally, thanks for the vote of Confidence.
 
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You make me sick. You're the reason a lot of us have given up on politics.

Thanks very much.
 
Tell me where to send the goddamned check, and I'll see that you get your $72 dollars back. Wouldn't want you to have to sacrifice anything punk.
 
Hate to admit it, but Zydeco really does have a point.. This is going to have to be handled carefully, or it could backfire.. Never underestimate the lengths the MSM will go to when they want to paint a story...
 
Hey, get over it guys. Look forward.

About the event, it will be important to give priority to Iowans, especially Iowans coming from a neutral stance about Ron Paul. The HQ got that one right already with the offer of free food to be primarily to non-supporters. So i dont see where you guys disagree.
 
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Zydeco said:
Mark my words, everyone here: the event in Des Moines is going to backfire. It's a bad idea and I have zero confidence in John of Des Moines to lead it.
And frankly, this guy John of Des Moines makes me nervous as hell in any kind of leadership or communications position.
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I too wonder about the out of state element being spun against us, but there are differences with the Dean analogy as well--this is demonstrating that he's credible with support despite the wishes of the other group's organizer.

John is just an excited supporter--the Iowa and national HQs run a tight ship (even when we don't want them to)
 
Everyone should dress up like an Iowan. Problem solved...

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