the constitutionality of paper money

First line is hardee har har pie in the sky look over there kind of wishful thinking. As for economies..China had 800 billion in the bank last time I looked and the US is in debt 16 trillion or more. Now..appearances and illusion may dictate another perspective to those not paying proper attention to their observations, but last time I did a reality check a man in a mansion with a limo and a wallet full of credit cards following his multimillion dollar debt is not more wealthy than the elderly couple on a small farm with all the mortgage paid off and no debt. The limo dude is only pretending to be wealthy.

Rev9

so you think china's economy is superior to the usa?


University learnin' is yer first blind spot. Here is a clue for the first owners family name.... Warburg.. can you suss the rest out? It is a private corporation. They have owners because other than that they sit dead and mute.

the internet and you tube videos are often not reliable sources of information

this comes straight from the horse's mouth:

"The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects."
 
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so you think china's economy is superior to the usa?




the internet and you tube videos are often not reliable sources of information

this comes straight from the horse's mouth:

"The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects."
"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. …but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." , Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982
 
"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. …but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." , Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239 9th Circuit 1982

that doesn't really conflict with what i've presented

congress created the fed and oversees it, it was set up with private aspects because they wanted market influences to be the primary focus, not partisan political pressure, so local banks are vested in the system

The Federal Reserve is not controlled by private banks, but by a publicly appointed board of governors. Many confuse "owning" and "controlling". Private banks, while they may own shares in the individual Federal Reserve Banks, do not have any control over the Federal Reserve System, much like how a private individual may own shares of a large corporation, but has little say in the day to day operations.

more, straight from the horse's mouth:

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as 'independent within the government'.
 
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All praise the Federal Reserve System! I bow unto those who currently set atop the authoritarian tall organizational system known as the Federal Reserve System, for their Federal Reserve Notes. I praise them for their notes and thank them for my meek existence.
that doesn't really conflict with what i've presented

congress created the fed and oversees it, it was set up with private aspects because they wanted market influences to be the primary focus, not partisan political pressure

The Federal Reserve is not controlled by private banks, but by a publicly appointed board of governors. Many confuse "owning" and "controlling". Private banks, while they may own shares in the individual Federal Reserve Banks, do not have any control over the Federal Reserve System, much like how a private individual may own shares of a large corporation, but has little say in the day to day operations.

more, straight from the horse's mouth:

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as 'independent within the government'.
 
All praise the Federal Reserve System! I bow unto those who currently set atop the authoritarian tall organizational system known as the Federal Reserve System, for their Federal Reserve Notes. I praise them for their notes and thank them for my meek existence.

certainly you're not serious
 
one of the primary reasons for instituting the federal reserve is to bring much needed stability to the nation's money

what country would you hold up as an example of an alternative, superior economy?

Great question.

Just because I don't know a country that has a superior system doesn't mean I agree ours is the correct one.

I don't disagree with the legality of our monetary system, but it is most certainly not a free-market system.

As Ron Paul has suggested, the first step is for Congress to allow other currencies to legally compete with FRN's and compete without being taxed like PM's currently are.

That would be a start, we could see how the system evolved from there.

Again, thank you for your continued polite debate and effective use of the Socratic method, I will endeavor to do a bit more reading of some of your references and such since I perceive you are making an honest effort even if you may be arguing for a position I disagree with.

It's ok to have an agenda so long as one is somewhat honest about it eh?
 
the first step is for Congress to allow other currencies to legally compete with FRN's

this country already went through chaotic periods like that and later chose to bring more order and stability to it's monetary and financial practices
 
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this country already went through chaotic periods like that and later chose to bring more order and stability to it's monetary and financial practices

Nah, the country needs competing currencies and people need to be free from government control of the money supply.

Like Ron Paul supports.

Good talking to you though.
 
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