the constitutionality of paper money

[Seraphim]

We've already gone over that.

It is in the writings because Congress is granted the power to COIN SPECIE and "all unlisted powers are delegated to the States and to the people".

The power to issue bills of credit is unlisted, and therefore Congress has no such power.

If you want to issue bills of credit - start a bank and see if people trust your business model.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

you're mistaking politically biased rhetoric for reality

No, he's correct.

 

[Dr.3D]

show me where the constitution says congress does not have the power to issue bills of credit

Whoa, hang on there.... the constitution only says what congress is allowed to do. If it isn't written specifically in the constitution that they can do it, they can't.

 

[dennis dujac]

It is in the writings because Congress is granted the power to COIN SPECIE and "all unlisted powers are delegated to the States and to the people

show me where it says 'specie' in the constitution

Whoa, hang on there.... the constitution only says what congress is allowed to do. If it isn't written specifically in the constitution that they can do it, they can't.

The Congress shall have Power To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers

 

[Seraphim]

I'm Canadian and I know more about your own Constitution.

show me where it says 'specie' in the constitution




The Congress shall have Power To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers

 

[heavenlyboy34]

show me where it says 'specie' in the constitution




The Congress shall have Power To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers

It doesn't explicitly say so, but the man behind article 1, section 10 (Roger Sherman) said that he had specie in mind.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I'm Canadian and I know more about your own Constitution.

lol!! Well, you canucks did burn down the White House that one time.

 

[Dr.3D]

They have the power to coin money, not print it.

 

[dennis dujac]

I'm Canadian and I know more about your own Constitution.

if that's true, then show me where it says 'specie' in the constitution

They have the power to coin money, not print it.

congress made the necessary laws to print paper money

 

[Dr.3D]

if that's true, then show me where it says 'specie' in the constitution

1spe·cie
noun \ˈspē-shē, -sē\
Definition of SPECIE
: money in coin

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/specie

Does that help?

 

[dennis dujac]

Does that help?

i take that you're admitting, in a round about way, that the term 'specie' isn't found in the constitution

 

[Dr.3D]

if that's true, then show me where it says 'specie' in the constitution



congress made the necessary laws to print paper money

Congress doesn't have the power to make those laws. When they did that, they were violating Article 1, Section 10. "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility." They forced the use of something other than gold and silver as a Tender in Payment of Debts.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

congress made the necessary laws to print paper money

Federal laws that are at odds with the constitution can and should be repealed.

 

[dennis dujac]

Congress doesn't have the power to make those laws. When they did that, they were violating Article 1, Section 10. "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility." They forced the use of something other than gold and silver as a Tender in Payment of Debts.

the subject of article 1, section 10 is clearly 'powers prohibited of states', congress isn't a state


The United States Constitution prohibits states from declaring legal tender anything other than gold or silver but does not limit Congress' power to declare what shall be legal tender for all debts. Coinage Act of 1965, §102, 31 USCA §392; USCA Const. Art. 1, §10.

Federal laws that are at odds with the constitution can and should be repealed.

congress' power to make the necessary and proper laws comes directly from the constitution

 

[Travlyr]

congress isn't a state

congress' power to make the necessary and proper laws comes directly from the constitution

Fiat money is immoral. Are you aware of the illegal conspiracy that took place at Jekyll Island in November 1910 by International banker Paul Warburg, Senator Nelson Aldrich, and others? Do you know why they hid their actions for a generation? Are you aware of the fact that they passed the legislation on December 23, 1913 while many legislators had already gone home for Christmas break even though they had a gentleman's agreement not to vote on it until the next session? What they did was not honest, it has cost everyone but them, and their descendants, thousands upon thousands of real dollars, and that fiat money system is currently crashing as is always inevitable with paper money.

We are faced with fixing it by returning to the principles of the constitution and the original Coinage Act, or accept a world fiat money which keeps people impoverished. Real money is honest and it is what the founders meant as constitutional money when they designed the first coins.

Coinage Act of 1792

 

[Danke]

congress' power to make the necessary and proper laws comes directly from the constitution

Sure, but if they are in conflict with the Constitution, they are void from their inception.

 

[dennis dujac]

Are you aware of the illegal conspiracy that took place at Jekyll Island in November 1910 by International banker Paul Warburg, Senator Nelson Aldrich, and others?

yes, i've read 'The Creature from Jekyll Island', much of it is fiction, the aldrich plan was not passed

g edward griffin is a know conspiracy theorist and has little credibility with rational people

 

[Danke]

^Teaser Rate?

 

[Travlyr]

yes, i've read 'The Creature from Jekyll Island', much of it is fiction, the aldrich plan was not passed

g edward griffin is a know conspiracy theorist and has little credibility with rational people

Read "The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins it is throughly documented.

 

[Travlyr]

Sure, but if they are in conflict with the Constitution, they are void from their inception.

Exactly!