The Communist Party

[Truth Warrior]

Wow. There sure are a lot of "atheist" apologists on this thread trying to defend against the obvious ties between their humanistic religion and communism.

Who do you have in mind?

Communism is the ultimate State where government takes the place of God, and since "atheists" believe there is no God, then communism is a natural and logical progression towards that system of governance over a people. It's very easy to draw a parallel between the anti-religious agenda of leaders such as Stalin and their institution of communism upon the masses they controlled.

No argument with that. Though communism does tend to encourage and foster the "cult of personality". Deification of the human "shepherd" leader as a sort of God-surrogate.

That's not to say that all "atheists" are communists, for many are very libertarian in their political ideals.

Who do you have in mind?

It is my contention that libertarianism cannot be established justly on an "atheistic" worldview because it fundamentally removes the very foundation of liberty--the existence of a loving and powerful God Who bestows His creatures with certain rights and responsibilities.

Hmmm, well that's certainly one way to look at it, from kind of a theistic-statist point of view.

Therefore, any "atheist" who embraces libertarian ideas only does so by borrowing from a Christian theistic interpretation of politics, ethics, metaphysics, and even aesthetics, all the while denying the God Who allows such things to make sense in an absolute and objective way.

I'll bet that there were libertarians around before there was a Jesus. BTW, actually I tend to think of Jesus as being a libertarian.

Maybe in China, Peru or India, etc. Maybe even in Babylon. The individual vs. the collective, neverending battle, goes WAAAAAY back.<IMHO>

Thanks!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

marxist/leninists are atheists..and furthermore, in order to take control of a country...they use 4 steps, 1. demoralization 2. desensitization 3. crisis 4 normalization. First and Formost..they must get rid of religion so that the people look to the state...they are ATHEISTS and they have done a FINE job of demoralizing the usa..as you can see, even this small forum is fraught with atheists. The USA was NOT like this 40 years ago. Tones

http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist.htm

[FONT=arial, helvetica]There exists massive discrimination against Atheists in the U.S.
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[FONT=arial, helvetica]Part of this may be based on the historical linkage between Communism and Atheism. Most Communists are Atheists. But many people do not realize that most Atheists in North America are not Communists.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Another reason for this discrimination is the common belief that a person cannot be motivated to lead a moral life unless they hope for the reward of heaven, and fear the punishment of Hell. In the past, this belief had been codified into law. Conscientious objectors opposed to participating in warfare were thrown in jail if their opposition to killing other humans was not based on belief in God. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Still another cause of discrimination is a widespread linkage between theism -- the belief in the existence of God -- American citizenship, and Christianity.[/FONT]

 

[Truth Warrior]

marxist/leninists are atheists..and furthermore, in order to take control of a country...they use 4 steps, 1. demoralization 2. desensitization 3. crisis 4 normalization. First and Formost..they must get rid of religion so that the people look to the state...they are ATHEISTS and they have done a FINE job of demoralizing the usa..as you can see, even this small forum is fraught with atheists. The USA was NOT like this 40 years ago. Tones

Yet Romans 13 clearly claims that ALL governments are from God?

 

[Kludge]

marxist/leninists are atheists

Stormfront members are Christian.

Rights-infringing "crusaders"? Christian.

Spanish inquisition? Christian.


Unwavering faith is dangerous, whether people believe in government, God, Dear Leader, the non-existence of God, or an NWO conspiracy. The root of all evil is delusion, assuming they're the delusional ones.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Romans 13 is overplayed...tones (by all)

 

[Theocrat]

Who I Have in Mind

Thanks!

Those who continue to speak out ignorantly against God, Christianity, and Christian people, whether it's on this thread or worldwide.

 

[Theocrat]

The Burden of Proof

Stormfront members are Christian.

Rights-infringing "crusaders"? Christian.

Spanish inquisition? Christian.


Unwavering faith is dangerous, whether people believe in government, God, Dear Leader, the non-existence of God, or an NWO conspiracy. The root of all evil is delusion, assuming they're the delusional ones.

Can you reconcile their official statements with those taught from the pages of Scripture in an exegetical fashion? That's the "$64,000 question," and I leave the charge on your account since you've purchased the claim.

 

[Kludge]

Can you reconcile their official statements with those taught from the pages of Scripture in an exegetical fashion?

Nope, you'll need to have faith in me and your ability to think critically with regards to history (if you consider "history" fact), I'm afraid.

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

Those who continue to speak out against God, Christianity, and Christian people, whether it's on this thread or worldwide.

God, as defined by your bible, is a fascist monster. How can you expect people to unwaveringly support him, and still have the understanding to speak out against Obama, Bush, or Stalin? You raise your children to bow their heads, to believe lies, and your surprised at moral decline? You've raised them to not have the bravery to face immorality.

And this is precisely why your fingerpointing at atheists as being the root of communism and nazism is patently false. All of those populations were easily exploited as they were ripe for religious hysteria, just as Christians in the U.S. are when it comes to leftist policies dressed up as "compassionate conservatism" and foreign intervention.

You people created this beast. Stop standing in the way of its defeat.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

All sorts of groups start popping up when people begin to feel oppressed. The white christian european..is the group who is now, the most demonized...and it's heading towards oppression. I am hearing a lot of buzz about militias forming again..tones

 

[Truth Warrior]

Romans 13 is overplayed...tones (by all)

Is Romans 13 not the divinely inspired, HOLY Word of GOD on Earth also? Now you've got me really confused.

 

[Theocrat]

Looking from the Other End

God, as defined by your bible, is a fascist monster. How can you expect people to unwaveringly support him, and still have the understanding to speak out against Obama, Bush, or Stalin?

And this is precisely why your fingerpointing at atheists as being the root of communism and nazism is patently false. All of those populations were easily exploited as they were ripe for religious hysteria, just as Christians in the U.S. are when it comes to leftist policies dressed up as "compassionate conservatism" and foreign intervention.

Grim, your definition of "fascism" and "monster" are not compatible with the God of the Scriptures. You continually fail to see this, but everytime you indict God, you use yourself as the standard of morality and truth by which you assess God. Your assumption of your own human autonomy fails at the outset of any judgment you make against an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent Being, for you are none of those.

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

Your damned right I hold myself as the standard of morality. I am morally superior to God for the sole reason that I have never and will never resort to violence except as a matter of desperate self-defense. The same goes for anyone else who follows the NAP.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Those who continue to speak out ignorantly against God, Christianity, and Christian people, whether it's on this thread or worldwide.

Whew! Good! I was getting a bit concerned that you just might have me partially in mind there for a minute.

Thanks!

 

[Theocrat]

My Sentiments Exactly

Your damned right I hold myself as the standard of morality. I am above God for the sole reason that I have never and will never resort to violence except as a matter of desperate self-defense.

Your sentiments here only prove my point about the nature of "atheism" and its links to communism. When man erases the possibility of God having any existence, then he will assume that he himself is above or equal to a god. Thus, he will use the State as the mediator between himself and a people to establish his own morality as he sees fit in his own eyes.

Thank you for affirming my argument, Grim.

 

[Kludge]

Your sentiments here only prove my point about the nature of "atheism" and its links to communism. When man erases the possibility of God having any existence, then he will assume that he himself is above or equal to a god. Thus, he will use the State as the mediator between himself and a people to establish his own morality as he sees fit in his own eyes.

Thank you for affirming my argument, Grim.

False. Man does not trump man under the NAP, as is the presumption under the Communist faith.

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

And you ignore what being opposed to the existence of a state brings to the table. Anarchism/libertarianism take power away from the state, the mob, and the church simultaneously in terms of who decides the standard of morality.

In that scenario, natural rights are the standard of morality. And trying to enforce Christian beliefs on another would most likely land you six feet under.

 

[Theocrat]

The Perception of Non-Aggression

False. Man does not trump man under the NAP, as is the presumption under the Communist faith.

It depends on one's definition of the non-aggressive principle. For Hitler and Stalin, their eradication of millions was not an act of aggression, according to their own moral dictates. It was simply a scientific purging of "unfit" people within their societies. In their own eyes, they did not violate the NAP. They believed what they were doing was a good thing.

 

[Kludge]

It depends on one's definition of the non-aggressive principle. For Hitler and Stalin, their eradication of millions was not an act of aggression, according to their own moral dictates. It was simply a scientific purging of "unfit" people within their societies. In their own eyes, they did not violate the NAP. They believed what they were doing was a good thing.

people = people. Thus, they violated the NAP.

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

It depends on one's definition of the non-aggressive principle. For Hitler and Stalin, their eradication of millions was not an act of aggression, according to their own moral dictates. It was simply a scientific purging of "unfit" people within their societies. In their own eyes, they did not violate the NAP. They believed what they were doing was a good thing.

This is just absurd. Mass-murder is unacceptable and immoral whether your name is Jesus, Hitler, or NonbelievyMcGodfuck.

Eugenics as it was used by them could very well turn out to be a good thing. As could the drug war, foreign intervention, wealth redistribution, and domestic spying. They're all still unacceptable as they infringe on natural rights, though.