The Communist Party

tribute_13 said:
Marx- Lutheran Christian
Hitler- Roman Catholic, although he wanted to "purge" elements such as Dogma and other things that irritated him.
Lenin- Russian Orthodox Church
Stalin- Georgian Orthodox Church

Sure... Looks like imposing religion on the majority posed a problem. Not the other way around. Why are you here anyway. Ron Paul doesn't support a Theocracy, he supports a truely free society. I wouldn't be free if I was forced into living in a society centered around an imaginary friend.
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Hitler only claimed to be Roman Catholic, and it is widely considered that he was an occultist.

Lenin's Russia put the Russian Orthodox Church underground and it didn't emerge until Stalin allowed them when Hitler's tanks were on the outskirts of Moscow.

Stalin left the Orthodox Church to go join the communists.

I am unsure as to Marx, though all Marxist governments have adopted official state atheism.
 
Stalin and Marx were jewish...lenin might have been a christian at one time ...all ended up atheist communists. Tones
 
Here's one for Theo. ;)

[h4]Romans 13[/h4]
1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
 
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tonesforjonesbones said:
One of the number one goals of communism is to get rid of religion..they are doing a damn fine job of it too. tones
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Religion - a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct06/Leupp16.htm

Excerpt:

"According to North Korean scriptures, when the Great Leader Kim Il-song died in 1994, thousands of cranes descended from Heaven to fetch him, and his portrait appeared high in the firmament. Immediately villages and towns throughout the nation began to construct Towers of Eternal Life, the main one rising 93 meters over Kim's mausoleum in Pyongyang. The Great Leader's son, the Dear Leader Kim Jong-il, took power, declining to assume the title of President. The Constitution of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea restricts that title forever to the Great Leader, whom the Dear Leader has proclaimed, 'will always be with us.' The Dear Leader himself was born on Mt. Paektu, the highest mountain in Korea and Manchuria long revered by Koreans as sacred and the birthplace of their nation, in 1942. (Unbelievers say he was born in 1941 in Vyatskoye, in Siberia, in the Soviet Union.) His birth in a humble log cabin brought joy to the cosmos: a double rainbow appeared over the peak, a new star rose in the heavens, and a swallow descended to herald his birth. (Thus he is called, among other monikers, the Heaven-Descended General.) When he was 32-years-old, the Workers' Party of Korea and the people of Korea unanimously elected him their leader. When he visited Panmunjom, a fog descended to protect him from South Korean snipers, but when he was out of danger, the mist dramatically listed and glorious sunlight shone all around him . . . You get the idea."
 
The Unholy Marriage: "Atheism" and Communism

Wow. There sure are a lot of "atheist" apologists on this thread trying to defend against the obvious ties between their humanistic religion and communism. Communism is the ultimate State where government takes the place of God, and since "atheists" believe there is no God, then communism is a natural and logical progression towards that system of governance over a people. It's very easy to draw a parallel between the anti-religious agenda of leaders such as Stalin and their institution of communism upon the masses they controlled.

That's not to say that all "atheists" are communists, for many are very libertarian in their political ideals. It is my contention that libertarianism cannot be established justly on an "atheistic" worldview because it fundamentally removes the very foundation of liberty--the existence of a loving and powerful God Who bestows His creatures with certain rights and responsibilities. Therefore, any "atheist" who embraces libertarian ideas only does so by borrowing from a Christian theistic interpretation of politics, ethics, metaphysics, and even aesthetics, all the while denying the God Who allows such things to make sense in an absolute and objective way.
 
Theocrat said:
Wow. There sure are a lot of "atheist" apologists on this thread trying to defend against the obvious ties between their humanistic religion and communism. Communism is the ultimate State where government takes the place of God, and since "atheists" believe there is no God, then communism is a natural and logical progression towards that system of governance over a people. It's very easy to draw a parallel between the anti-religious agenda of leaders such as Stalin and their institution of communism upon the masses they controlled.

That's not to say that all "atheists" are communists, for many are very libertarian in their political ideals. It is my contention that libertarianism cannot be established justly on an "atheistic" worldview because it fundamentally removes the very foundation of liberty--the existence of a loving and powerful God Who bestows His creatures with certain rights and responsibilities. Therefore, any "atheist" who embraces libertarian ideas only does so by borrowing from a Christian theistic interpretation of politics, ethics, metaphysics, and even aesthetics, all the while denying the God Who allows such things to make sense in an absolute and objective way.
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Do you have anyone in particular, in mind? ;)

Not a being a "Christian" ( so called ) does not necessarily make one an atheist, nor a communism apologist.<IMHO> :)
 
Theocrat said:
Wow. There sure are a lot of "atheist" apologists on this thread trying to defend against the obvious ties between their humanistic religion and communism. Communism is the ultimate State where government takes the place of God, and since "atheists" believe there is no God, then communism is a natural and logical progression towards that system of governance over a people. It's very easy to draw a parallel between the anti-religious agenda of leaders such as Stalin and their institution of communism upon the masses they controlled.

That's not to say that all "atheists" are communists, for many are very libertarian in their political ideals.It is my contention that libertarianism cannot be established justly on an "atheistic" worldview because it fundamentally removes the very foundation of liberty--the existence of a loving and powerful God Who bestows His creatures with certain rights and responsibilities. Therefore, any "atheist" who embraces libertarian ideas only does so by borrowing from a Christian theistic interpretation of politics, ethics, metaphysics, and even aesthetics, all the while denying the God Who allows such things to make sense in an absolute and objective way.
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"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." -- Thomas Paine
 
tonesforjonesbones said:
Stalin and Marx were jewish...lenin might have been a christian at one time ...all ended up atheist communists. Tones
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Stalin went to seminary to become a priest in the Orthodox Church, he wasn't a Jew. He ran from seminary to join the communists.
 
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Truth Warrior said:
Do you have anyone in particular, in mind? ;)

Not a being a "Christian" ( so called ) does not necessarily make one an atheist, nor a communism apologist.<IMHO> :)
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TW, if you had actually read my post, you would've realized that I made the point that not all "atheists" are communist apologists. Please read it again.
 
heavenlyboy34 said:
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." -- Thomas Paine
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He wasn't advocating a state ran church, which this is clearly advocating against. He was advocating for people to be religious, not that the state should enforce it.
 
Theocrat said:
TW, if you had actually read my post, you would've realized that I made the point that not all "atheists" are communist apologists. Please read it again.
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I believe that once was sufficient, hence my response AND now, yet once again, unanswered question. ;)

But I can reread it. What the heck? Maybe something else will occur to me. :D
 
Theo..righton as usual. Stalin came from a jewish family...perhaps they converted..but he sure did. he was formost..and ATHEIST. Communism calls for ATHEISM..no God. The STATE IS GOD. tones
 
tonesforjonesbones said:
Theo..righton as usual. Stalin came from a jewish family...perhaps they converted..but he sure did. he was formost..and ATHEIST. Communism calls for ATHEISM..no God. The STATE IS GOD. tones
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That isn't atheism. Dogmatism, worship, and unquestioning belief are not atheistic.

I don't know how much more plainly obvious this could be.
 
marxist/leninists are atheists..and furthermore, in order to take control of a country...they use 4 steps, 1. demoralization 2. desensitization 3. crisis 4 normalization. First and Formost..they must get rid of religion so that the people look to the state...they are ATHEISTS and they have done a FINE job of demoralizing the usa..as you can see, even this small forum is fraught with atheists. The USA was NOT like this 40 years ago. Tones
 
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