The Christian Right Is Back And Ready To Dominate The 2012 Campaign

The thread title kinda scares me. This group seldom backs the right horse. Huckabee in 2008 it was to be.
 
swissaustrian said:
After reading the article, i´m now 100% convinced that Perry will enter the race. If there was any doubt left, the fact that Perry (ab)uses the Evangelical´s faith for his political agenda shows clearly that he is in.
IMO he will be the guy to beat, everything is being set up for him to enter as the savior of the gop.
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You're right in that Perry will be a force. On the plus side, he'll pull a lot of support from Bachmann and the establishment candidates like Romney. On the minus side, many of the Tea Party leaders (including Bachmann, Cain, and Palin amongst countless others) may choose to support Perry over Paul, which would likely secure the Perry nomination.

Once Perry's in the race, we must do our best to cozy with and coax endorsements from the perceived national Tea Party leaders. If we can get the endorsement of a Palin (or others), it will immediately make Ron Paul's candidacy credible to the establishment voter who first needs to see mainstream support of Ron Paul in order to perceive him as a serious contender (and therefore worthy of a vote).
 
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Article V said:
You're right in that Perry will be a force. On the plus side, he'll pull a lot of support from Bachmann and the establishment candidates like Romney. On the minus side, many of the Tea Party leaders (including Bachmann, Cain, and Palin amongst countless others) may choose to support Perry over Paul, which would likely secure the Perry nomination.

Once Perry's in the race, we must do our best to cozy with and coax endorsements from the perceived national Tea Party leaders. If we can get the endorsement of a Palin (or others), it will immediately make Ron Paul's candidacy credible to the establishment voter who first needs to see mainstream support of Ron Paul in order to perceive him as a serious contender (and therefore worthy of a vote).
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I think we just need to expose Perry's record.
 
Eric21ND said:
The thread title kinda scares me.
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The title is OFFENSIVE, nothing less.

The Christian Right Is Back And Ready To Dominate The 2012 Campaign

Thought y'all were goin' fer a bigger tent this time around.

For a CHANGE, I'd like to hear some Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Secularists, Non-Deists, Non-Theists, and the "SPIRITUAL BUT NOT RELIGIOUS" weigh in on the quote-unquote Christian Right DOMINATING a campaign the quintessential ideal of which is LIBERTY.

got faith-based initiatives?

(For the record, I believe Liberty AND JUSTICE must be championed equally. Chasing Liberty without chasing Justice is not Libertarian, but LIBERTINE. And there are PLENTY of those in the Moovement.)
 
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cheapseats said:
The title is OFFENSIVE, nothing less.

The Christian Right Is Back And Ready To Dominate The 2012 Campaign

Thought y'all were goin' fer a bigger tent this time around.

I'd like to hear some Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, et al. weigh in on the quote-unquote CHRISTIAN RIGHT dominating a campaign the quintessential ideal of which is LIBERTY.

{For the record, I believe Liberty AND JUSTICE must be championed equally. Chasing Liberty without chasing Justice is not Libertarian, but LIBERTINE. And there are PLENTY of those on this Board.)
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For Ron to fully get their backing, I think they will want him to make some compromises, which he won't do.
 
YumYum said:
For Ron to fully get their backing, I think they will want him to make some compromises, which he won't do.
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I disagree, 180 degrees.. His politics have ALWAYS been "informed" by his Christianity, RIGHT? Is that not what Supporters claim?

Yet I have never heard him PIMP/PUSH/BROADCAST Religion.

I am far from objective, but I'm a helluva lot more objective about Ron Paul than those who ADORE Ron Paul can POSSIBLY be. And I say that for him to START waving his religiosity around constitutes - forget Compromise - EXPEDIENCE.
 
YumYum said:
For Ron to fully get their backing, I think they will want him to make some compromises, which he won't do.
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Not an issue if sound faith based rationales are provided. Consider homosexuality for example. For a Christian the political issue is a clearly sinful behaviour being granted status as a 'civil right' as is currently the case with either a repug or demoRat in charge. As a Christian in a future liberty based social/political order I will be free to speak my disapproval of homosexuality/adultery/fornication/mind-altered while operating machinery behaviours and the non/anti-christian will be free to find their own self-destructive path to hell insofar as they do not harm persons or property.

The State is the biggest enemy of family and community life- both of which are pillars of the Christian Good Life..........and then there is WAR...........sadly a huge portion of American xians need to be turned from this all but open worship of molech in place of the One True God. Learning the true history of zionism is a huge shove in the right direction.
 
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I say Individual Liberty FAR AND AWAY trumps any rights held by POTENTIAL people.

I do NOT NOT NOT ascribe to the BELIEF that life begins at conception.

Pray tell, how are faith-based Anti Abortionists NOT forcing their faith=belief upon those who feel/believe as I do?
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Faith has nothing to do with it.

You are for individual rights, except when it comes to the unborn. I support individual liberty for everyone. Not just for those who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.
 
LibertyEagle said:
Faith has nothing to do with it.
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Faith has EVERYTHING to do with CHRISTIANS being hysterical on the point.

I'll grant there are some non-Christians who ALSO believe...note the verb BELIEVE...Abortion is murder.

I do NOT believe that life begins at conception, and I certainly don't believe American Politics should feature circular, unwinnable arguments about Abortion. I don't think presidential politics should be INFECTED and DERAILED by it again and again and again.

Abortion is the OL' RELIABLE of Wedge Issues. I'm fer gettin' to the bottom of WHO IS DRIVING WEDGES.

'Cuz this one ain't solvable.

I am very keen on having this argument, but NOT with someone who declares her STRONGLY HELD BELIEF is the factual basis of the debate.


You are for individual rights, except when it comes to the unborn. I support individual liberty for everyone. Not just for those who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.
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Canned and unpersuasive.
 
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Faith has EVERYTHING to do with CHRISTIANS being hysterical on the point.

I'll grant there are some non-Christians who ALSO believe...note the verb BELIEVE...Abortion is murder.

I do NOT believe that life begins at conception, and I certainly don't believe American Politics should feature circular, unwinnable arguments about Abortion. I don't think presidential politics should be INFECTED and DERAILED by it again and again and again.

Abortion is the OL' RELIABLE of Wedge Issues. I'm fer gettin' to the bottom of WHO IS DRIVING WEDGES.

'Cuz this one ain't solvable.

I am very keen on having this argument, but NOT with someone who declares her STRONGLY HELD BELIEF is the factual basis of the debate.




Canned and unpersuasive.
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Uh huh. You believe that a birth canal is the "magical portal" where a baby finally gets the right not to have his brain sucked out or spine severed.

Your "belief" is ridiculous and you should be ashamed to say you are a rational, thinking person and still hold that belief.
 
cheapseats said:
Faith has EVERYTHING to do with CHRISTIANS being hysterical on the point.

I'll grant there are some non-Christians who ALSO believe...note the verb BELIEVE...Abortion is murder.

I do NOT believe that life begins at conception, and I certainly don't believe American Politics should feature circular, unwinnable arguments about Abortion. I don't think presidential politics should be INFECTED and DERAILED by it again and again and again.

Abortion is the OL' RELIABLE of Wedge Issues. I'm fer gettin' to the bottom of WHO IS DRIVING WEDGES.

'Cuz this one ain't solvable.

I am very keen on having this argument, but NOT with someone who declares her STRONGLY HELD BELIEF is the factual basis of the debate.




Canned and unpersuasive.
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Abortion certainly has to be the killing of a human being at the inutero stage of life. If NOT just what IS being killed- A Pet Rock??????

Heck, in my City we used to have the top bigdog abortionist of them all, until his 'civil rights' received a 38 cal violation. Even he never ever made the silly/ignorant/stump stupid claim a fetus (aka a human being at the inuetero stage of life) was not alive or was not a human being. Nope he just claimed that the fetus being weak/dependent and currently friendless had no Rights he could be compelled to recognise. Now of course the idea that the weak/dependent/friendless are nothing but prey has always struck a chord with slavers and commisars, but seems kinda iffy for those who love Liberty.

Just what IS the criteria for personhood, eh?

Conception? Birth? Age 21? Or is it an IQ of at least 85 or the maybe ability to run a less than 12 minute mile or maybe an income of at least $1M/year?

Why not just admit that your REAL operative criteria for personhood is- I don't harm people since I am a libertarian aka If they can tear me a new one I leave them alone, hence they are people.
 
LibertyEagle said:
Faith has nothing to do with it.

You are for individual rights, except when it comes to the unborn. I support individual liberty for everyone. Not just for those who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.
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No one really knows when life starts. To say that being pro-choice is not protecting liberty would be disingenuous.
 
Seems to me that Ron Paul should be the most appealing to the Christian Right simply based on how he lives his life.
His marriage, his lifestyle in general, how he raised his family. You'd think that would be highly appealing.

Especially since the leader of the the religion was all about leading by example and refusing to continue with authoritarian laws. Personal morality is infinitely more important than some fake legalized morality. If I have the choice of a community without any law on things like prostitution and drugs and divorce, but the people are those who try to live a moral and virtuous lifestyle because they feel such is right I am going to be a lot more comfortable than living in a society that forbids all those things where people only refrain from them because its the law (or even break the law to do them).
 
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