The Benefits of Land Value Taxation

[heavenlyboy34]

I gave an example of a community even if it wasn't real.

So? That doesn't help your argument.

Like wise "the state" or "the government" is also an abstraction.

Yes, this is true.

 

[pathtofreedom]

So? That doesn't help your argument.


Yes, this is true.

No but Galt's Gulch does provide a potential blueprint for communities and people often use it for their ideas. If am not mistaken other communities have used land rents to provide for services.

 

[oyarde]

Or you have to actively use it the tax is simply a means by by carrying that out. The point is to prevent land speculation and too much accumulation.

That is some sick shit

, only people I do not want accumulating is the Govt , , but do not worry about that , because they do not. All money collected from a payroll check on June 1 for "Social Security" , Medicaremcbullshit is gone by June 11 , they have none.If you would like to give them more , by all means, do so , there is an address for that in West Virginia where they accept donations for the debt. I wish to give none of them shit.

 

[pathtofreedom]

That is some sick shit

, only people I do not want accumulating is the Govt , , but do not worry about that , because they do not. All money collected from a payroll check on June 1 for "Social Security" , Medicaremcbullshit is gone by June 11 , they have none.If you would like to give them more , by all means, do so , there is an address for that in West Virginia where they accept donations for the debt. I wish to give none of them shit.

Accumulation of anything can lead to problems regardless of who does it. I don't support the current status quo nor the current government. The government may not be perfect but it is not un-fixable basic changes can be made to make it function better. Medicare should be gradually phased out, medical patents ended, the fda ended and the medical industry should undergo major deregulation. That in my view would solve the heath care problem. Social security should be made voluntary and funds should be reserved for it use.

 

[oyarde]

Accumulation of anything can lead to problems regardless of who does it. I don't support the current status quo nor the current government. The government may not be perfect but it is not un-fixable basic changes can be made to make it function better. Medicare should be gradually phased out, medical patents ended, the fda ended and the medical industry should undergo major deregulation. That in my view would solve the heath care problem. Social security should be made voluntary and funds should be reserved for it use.

Too late for any of that , appears un fixable to me, they collected the money , they owe the money, they do not have it. Nor will they have anything they take. Like a Wendigo , everything is consumed ....

 

[Origanalist]

Too late for any of that , appears un fixable to me, they collected the money , they owe the money, they do not have it. Nor will they have anything they take. Like a Wendigo , everything is consumed ....

Don't Throw that away!

 

[Dogsoldier]

All rights derive from property....no property=no rights....

The communist Manifesto- 1st rule----1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

BECAUSE....no property=no rights

Restoring property rights should be the primary focus of the liberty movement....The rest is meaningless unless this happens...

 

[pathtofreedom]

All rights derive from property....no property=no rights....

The communist Manifesto- 1st rule----1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

BECAUSE....no property=no rights

Restoring property rights should be the primary focus of the liberty movement....The rest is meaningless unless this happens...

In terms of Karl Marx he wasn't completely bad his main problem was his Utopian view point. Marx like anyone had good ideas and bad ones. Just because some one might favor a small amount of Marx's positions doesn't mean they favor all of them. For example Marx favored free trade. Is one automatically a Marxist for favoring free trade?
edit: Also it says abolish private property. Georgism simply believes that the Earth is common heritage but you own your labor and it doesn't abolish private property completely only in land and natural resources. Marxism asserts you don't own your labor.
Marx's Critique of George
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/letters/81_06_20.
http://bookstore.autonomedia.org/index.php?main_page=pubs_product_book_info&products_id=333

 

[Debbie Downer]

Still waiting for an answer, especially for the part in bold:

No one is putting a limit on the amount only requiring that it be put to use.

Except you said this:

Because small numbers of people owning large numbers of land is a problem and land speculation is economically destructive and one of the causes of the business cycle.

You suggest that people owning too much land is a problem, so obviously you want to limit how much someone can own to fix that "problem."

So...what right do you have to limit how much of land (or anything else) someone can own? What right do you have to tell someone how they have to use the land (or anything else) they own? What right do you have to limit how someone uses their property?

Nope the business cycle is destructive and will eventually destroy us and the planet. As for correction you don't need any to begin with. The business cycle is not sustainable.

The business cycle is inevitable. We will always have speculation and malinvestment. You want government intervention to try and mitigate this, which always fails. The market, when left on its own, corrects itself.

Why do you think that a small group of fallible human beings knows more than the collective information the market has?

And we won't destroy the planet. We'll destroy ourselves way before we even make a dent in this planet. The planet has seen much worse than humans and survived.

 

[TheTexan]

I love taxes. My favorite tax is definitely LVT though. I think this country's problems could be solved if only we had more LVT.

 

[pathtofreedom]

Originally Posted by pathtofreedom
No one is putting a limit on the amount only requiring that it be put to use.



Except you said this:

Originally Posted by pathtofreedom
Because small numbers of people owning large numbers of land is a problem and land speculation is economically destructive and one of the causes of the business cycle.



You suggest that people owning too much land is a problem, so obviously you want to limit how much someone can own to fix that "problem."

So...what right do you have to limit how much of land (or anything else) someone can own? What right do you have to tell someone how they have to use the land (or anything else) they own? What right do you have to limit how someone uses their property?

There you are spinning what I am saying. I never said tell people exactly how much land they should own or what should be done with only that measure should be taken to end land speculation, encouraging usage of land, and that implementing such measures as land rents would serve this purpose. I never put an explicit limit on land ownership or dictate what it is used for. The land rent simply put encourages de-consolidation and usage.

Originally Posted by pathtofreedom
Nope the business cycle is destructive and will eventually destroy us and the planet. As for correction you don't need any to begin with. The business cycle is not sustainable.



The business cycle is inevitable. We will always have speculation and malinvestment. You want government intervention to try and mitigate this, which always fails. The market, when left on its own, corrects itself.

Why do you think that a small group of fallible human beings knows more than the collective information the market has?

And we won't destroy the planet. We'll destroy ourselves way before we even make a dent in this planet. The planet has seen much worse than humans and survived.

Using the human error argument, calculation argument or knowledge argument is stupid one could use the very same argument against the market. Questioning whether humans are capable of something can be used against any form of human organization. With decades of experience we can objectively say that fractional reserve banking causes bubbles and land speculation also causes bubbles. Heck Ron Paul supported banning fractional reserve banking. Anyone with common sense can see perpetual growth is not sustainable nor desirable.

 

[TheTexan]

I've got a fever. And the only prescription, is more LVT

 

[Henry Rogue]

It amazes me, how these lvt threads go on for so long.

 

[Origanalist]

And yet we keep posting in them.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

And yet we keep posting in them.

I'm a sucker for teh trolls sometimes. I've been better about ignoring this one, though.

 

[Henry Rogue]

And yet we keep posting in them.

I can't help myself. These threads just draw me in like a fly to a carcass. Apropos descriptor I think.

 

[Occam's Banana]

It amazes me, how these lvt threads go on for so long.

And yet we keep posting in them.

I'm a sucker for teh trolls sometimes. I've been better about ignoring this one, though.

I can't help myself. These threads just draw me in like a fly to a carcass. Apropos descriptor I think.

Meh. I am disappoint. The quality of LVT trollery around here has become significantly debased of late.

pathtofreeom just doesn't hold a candle to RoyL ...

 

[pathtofreedom]

I am amazed that people get so angry.

 

[Origanalist]

I am amazed that people get so angry.

You must not have seen any of RoyL's posts. Or some of his compatriots.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Meh. I am disappoint. The quality of LVT trollery around here has become significantly debased of late.

pathtofreeom just doesn't hold a candle to RoyL ...

Truth.