The Benefits of Land Value Taxation

[erowe1]

My biggest problem with an LVT is that the people getting the money are the state.

 

[cbc58]

A national sales tax would destroy the economy.

A national sales tax would get everyones attention - a LVT won't. There will ALWAYS be special interests who want their special treatment - like people who have property in Current Use that pay a fraction of property taxes while others make up the balance.

Always have to wonder what the agenda is with these posters - what is their background and who funds them.

 

[newbitech]

A national sales tax would destroy people's purchasing power and thus lower their standard of living. The taxes are always in the range of 15% combine that with existing sales taxes you would have very expensive to purchase products.

That's true of any tax. Derp.

 

[newbitech]

Non sense a consumption tax is less moral. Goods and services require human effort to make land and natural resources don't.

so lets tax the shit out of land and natural resources so that effort is cut off at the source... derp.

 

[Debbie Downer]

LVT trolls gonna LVT troll.

I miss RoyL

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I miss RoyL

Ditto. He was a much more intelligent troll than the OP.

 

[pathtofreedom]

How am I a troll? I see benefits in a different form of taxation and I see flaws in other forms of taxation. This shit ain't complicated.

 

[Debbie Downer]

How am I a troll? I see benefits in a different form of taxation and I see flaws in other forms of taxation. This shit ain't complicated.

There are no "benefits" to taxation.

I love how ironic your signature is considering you support a land value tax...

 

[newbitech]

How am I a troll? I see benefits in a different form of taxation and I see flaws in other forms of taxation. This shit ain't complicated.

You are missing the point. The idea is to eliminate taxation, preferably to 0. While it may not be possible in our life time to see this happen, you give no hope when you simply exchange one form of tax for another.

Reform is an honest goal tho, so I don't view you as a troll. Perhaps misguided tho. Taxing land is like taxing breathing. We basically have no choice. At least with the current system, if I believe paying income tax is immoral, I can chose to live off the land so to speak. You start taxing me to live off the land, you basically forcing me to make a choice of being immoral or defending myself against your attempt to take something from me that doesn't belong to you.

 

[erowe1]

Q:

How am I a troll?

A:

I see benefits in ...taxation

 

[pathtofreedom]

You start taxing me to live off the land, you basically forcing me to make a choice of being immoral or defending myself against your attempt to take something from me that doesn't belong to you.

Nonsense by using force to exclude people from natural resources that humanity inherited you are yourself being immoral.

 

[newbitech]

Nonsense by using force to exclude people from natural resources that humanity inherited you are yourself being immoral.

So, how do you propose taxing land if no one owns it.

 

[pathtofreedom]

So, how do you propose taxing land if no one owns it.

You pay for the privilege of exclusion. I view property as a necessary evil. You pay for this privilege.

 

[pathtofreedom]

Q:

A:

Here you are being incredibly misleading. I said I see benefits in taxation being changed never did I said that taxation was a good thing unto itself as you try to propagandize. I never see anything as good or bad unto itself simply a means to an end.

 

[newbitech]

You pay for the privilege of exclusion. I view property as a necessary evil. You pay for this privilege.

So as long as I PAY someone to use "force to exclude people from natural resources that humanity inherited" it's moral. However if I decide that I do not require your approval for the "privilege" to live on land that I occupy unencumbered by people looking to profit off that land, I am immoral.

Of course you view property as a necessary evil. You make perfect sense now.

Out of curiosity, do you find anything wrong with eminent domain?

 

[erowe1]

Here you are being incredibly misleading. I said I see benefits in taxation being changed never did I said that taxation was a good thing unto itself as you try to propagandize. I never see anything as good or bad unto itself simply a means to an end.

That's the way I understood you.

Just to be clear, will you say unequivocally that no tax, including a land value tax, has benefits when compared with no tax at all?

 

[pathtofreedom]

So as long as I PAY someone to use "force to exclude people from natural resources that humanity inherited" it's moral. However if I decide that I do not require your approval for the "privilege" to live on land that I occupy unencumbered by people looking to profit off that land, I am immoral.

Of course you view property as a necessary evil. You make perfect sense now.

Out of curiosity, do you find anything wrong with eminent domain?

I am simply arguing if that you want to exclude that should pay those around you who give you that privilege. I see the privilege as necessary to carry out economic functions. As for eminent domain it is not necessary with advanced tunneling technology being suppressed by the government since eminent domain is mostly an issue of acquiring land for transportation functions.

 

[erowe1]

I am simply arguing if that you want to exclude that should pay those around you who give you that privilege.

That sounds great.

But a land value tax doesn't pay them. It pays the very state that subjugates them.

 

[Tod]

You pay for the privilege of exclusion. I view property as a necessary evil. You pay for this privilege.

Wait. If he pays for the privilege of exclusion, the questions begged are: 1. Who gets paid and 2. Who gets excluded.

Answer to 1: the State gets the money 2: You and I get excluded

There is not even a REMOTE sense of fairness in that.

I own my land, I paid for it. There is my payment for exclusion. Now keep your greedy mitts of my property.

 

[Origanalist]

It looks like "circle jerk" will be back in my sig pretty soon.